However i’ve notice HT have disgussed ideas like shara man qablana, and maqasid, and maslahah etc. But this was only to refute the use or misuse buy some muslims today for and Islamic standpoint. Since we would agree that differences can exist amongst movements, it would only make sense to seek the strongest opinion with our utmost effort and from those people of knowledge. When I say people of knowledge its doesnt necessarily have to be a majority, (like some family fortunes gameshow..’our survey says: mosque scholars say voting is allowed) but rather the validy and strenghth of the argument in its accordance with the shara. So please can you show us possible flaws in the arguments laid out below in these talks to start engaging in some dialogue with these differences, to show us why two camps can have a difference in the first place:

Maslaha: http://www.archive.org/details/Maslaha-IntroductionAndPrinciples

Lesser of the two evils: http://www.archive.org/details/LesserOfTheTwoEvils-ExplanationAndApplication

Just a side point..this thing of ‘there isnt a debate to be had’ is really unhelpful. I dont really care who said it, why would anyone afford the opinions of non Muslims some validity in interfaith, integration, political dialogue whilst undemocratically silencing those with clear evidences from Quran and Sunnah (whether you follow that opinion or not) by saying ‘theres no debate to be had’. Not very democratic is it? Put your argument accross and let the people decide.

Im more interested in the difference

its about time muslims start to get politicly active so they can have a say and influnece

It seems the title of this article ‘There isn’t a debate to be had’ really has become the modus operendi..lol

Just a few issues for the brothers and sisters who are reading and practicing ‘There isn’t a debate to be had’… I think there is more to this issue than just the title.

For those who believe taking part in electing a legislature to rule by kufr is not only important but necessary to reduce the harm by choosing the lesser harm(which would be the common sense conclusion since you are saying the importance of the matter takes it from haram to halal/and required).
Then why are we not told by these scholars and organisations who to vote for PUBLICLY? If it soo important and the great interest of the muslim’s in the UK, why is the message only ‘get involved and vote’, but not tell us who for?

If you want advise on an issue or a hukm, it is normal to get an answer from the scholars and those who lead the ummah, so why do we get a half answer here?

My analysis is, nobody wants to back a particular party as it may go against the interests of that scholar/group (or their projects/institutions) in the future, as in democracy power shifts. This makes sense, but goes against the whole issue of taking the lesser of the two evils, as it is argued that it is such a great harm for muslims to not take part and vote for the lesser of two evils and thus makes a matter that is generally agreed haram in origin to become permitted because of the need of…

I read that Night Man claims in islam a woman is more precious than gold. That depends if you have the gold to provide a dowry when the girl child comes of age to marry.When I was in Aden I saw girl children with no eyes begging on street corners.I asked how could this be allowed, the answere was”It is the will of allah”. Because the parents could not afford the dowry for the girls they took out the girls eyes to get the sympathy of passersby to get more money. In my previous comment I stated I would not converse with a person whose face was covered,this does not mean I am mentally deranged I just want that person to show me they respect the customs of my country.

Hope you all are well and in good health. Some talks explaining this issue in more details insha’Allah, please kindly listen with an open heart and Allah (swt) knows best…

Maslaha – Introduction and Principles
http://www.archive.org/details/Maslaha-IntroductionAndPrinciples

Lesser of the two evils – Explanation and Application:
http://www.archive.org/details/LesserOfTheTwoEvils-ExplanationAndApplication

Ma’asalaam
Your brother

Sorry Boss. I did not realise i was mis-behaving.

salam

Abu talha