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		<title>By: izzuddeen</title>
		<link>http://blog.islamicforumeurope.com/2009/11/12/a-shakespearean-tragedy-the-case-of-anwar-al-awlaki/comment-page-1/#comment-3122</link>
		<dc:creator>izzuddeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amin, you appear to suggest that it is permissable for the taliban to kill US/UK soldiers in Afghanistan but not on home soil.  How can you justify this when they are Brits just like you.  In saying this, you and others of this IFE blog are the just the same as Imam Awlaki and the Alqaeda narrative.

This is exactly what Omer Muzaffar said in his &#039;rebuttal&#039; which you reccommend in your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amin, you appear to suggest that it is permissable for the taliban to kill US/UK soldiers in Afghanistan but not on home soil.  How can you justify this when they are Brits just like you.  In saying this, you and others of this IFE blog are the just the same as Imam Awlaki and the Alqaeda narrative.</p>
<p>This is exactly what Omer Muzaffar said in his &#8216;rebuttal&#8217; which you reccommend in your article.</p>
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		<title>By: Amin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3118&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sarah Syed  &lt;/a&gt;

The use of the &#039;surname&#039; alone (without a title/prefix), especially if the individual is a writer or notable individual is a recognised norm in academic discourse. It is not meant as a mark of disrespect - on the contrary it shows either respect or recognition as someone prominent. You can check various journals, books, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gulf-a-choice-between-liberalisation-or-recovery-1826388.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;articles&lt;/a&gt; and other literature and also check the references contained within. Granted, you may be unfamiliar with it.

The opinions and statements expressed in that blog allegedly by [Imam] Al-Awlaki, are exactly what an Al-Qaeda fanatic would say. The Al-Qaeda narrative is not only rejected by IFE but by the vast (VAST) majority of Muslims and scholars. Of course there obviously are some Muslims who agree with it, you may or may not be one of them.

[Imam] Al-Awlaki may be more &#039;knowledgeable&#039; than many of us, but that does not mean his conclusions are correct. Scholars of much more &#039;knowledge&#039; than him have refuted the Al-Qaeda narrative. Not only is it right for IFE to publicy state that he is wrong, we have a &#039;duty&#039; to point out his errors.

Knowledge and piety is not a license to say or do whatever we want. The Khawarij were among the most knowledgable and most pious, yet Muslims were ordered to fight them and even kill them as the Khalifa Ali did. (I&#039;m not calling Al-Awlaki a Khariji). We judge people on their actions and statements.

No one is disputing the right of an occupied people to resist, or that there is great injustice against the Muslim world. Al-Awlaki is not the first or only person to raise this, but his [alleged] conclusion is not acceptable as you correctly recognise. All I did was point out that Al-Awlaki was wrong [Islamically] to say Major Hasan was justified in &#039;slaying&#039; people - which is exactly the same as what you said. If we&#039;re agreed on that - how can you then say IFE is wrong to say it?

I notice some other inconsistencies in your arguments. You state, &lt;em&gt;&quot;And I concur that fighting the US army is a joint duty upon Muslims.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Is this your opinion based on your Islamic scholarship? or someone else&#039;s fatwa? Is this duty &#039;specific&#039; for the Muslims in those countries or a &#039;general&#039; duty upon every Muslim including us in Europe and America? It&#039;s very easy to state things based on emotion, the job of a Mufti is to substanciate the statement with the texts and context.

You also state, &lt;em&gt;&quot;We all wish, dream, aspire and hope for a world that does not persecute the Muslims but what are we doing to achieve that? BLOGGING??!!!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; What else can we do in the West, other than speak out against injustice (writing is one way to do that) and use the political tools to raise awareness of it? What exactly do you propose that we do instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3118" rel="nofollow">@Sarah Syed  </a></p>
<p>The use of the &#8217;surname&#8217; alone (without a title/prefix), especially if the individual is a writer or notable individual is a recognised norm in academic discourse. It is not meant as a mark of disrespect &#8211; on the contrary it shows either respect or recognition as someone prominent. You can check various journals, books, <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gulf-a-choice-between-liberalisation-or-recovery-1826388.html" rel="nofollow">articles</a> and other literature and also check the references contained within. Granted, you may be unfamiliar with it.</p>
<p>The opinions and statements expressed in that blog allegedly by [Imam] Al-Awlaki, are exactly what an Al-Qaeda fanatic would say. The Al-Qaeda narrative is not only rejected by IFE but by the vast (VAST) majority of Muslims and scholars. Of course there obviously are some Muslims who agree with it, you may or may not be one of them.</p>
<p>[Imam] Al-Awlaki may be more &#8216;knowledgeable&#8217; than many of us, but that does not mean his conclusions are correct. Scholars of much more &#8216;knowledge&#8217; than him have refuted the Al-Qaeda narrative. Not only is it right for IFE to publicy state that he is wrong, we have a &#8216;duty&#8217; to point out his errors.</p>
<p>Knowledge and piety is not a license to say or do whatever we want. The Khawarij were among the most knowledgable and most pious, yet Muslims were ordered to fight them and even kill them as the Khalifa Ali did. (I&#8217;m not calling Al-Awlaki a Khariji). We judge people on their actions and statements.</p>
<p>No one is disputing the right of an occupied people to resist, or that there is great injustice against the Muslim world. Al-Awlaki is not the first or only person to raise this, but his [alleged] conclusion is not acceptable as you correctly recognise. All I did was point out that Al-Awlaki was wrong [Islamically] to say Major Hasan was justified in &#8217;slaying&#8217; people &#8211; which is exactly the same as what you said. If we&#8217;re agreed on that &#8211; how can you then say IFE is wrong to say it?</p>
<p>I notice some other inconsistencies in your arguments. You state, <em>&#8220;And I concur that fighting the US army is a joint duty upon Muslims.&#8221;</em> Is this your opinion based on your Islamic scholarship? or someone else&#8217;s fatwa? Is this duty &#8217;specific&#8217; for the Muslims in those countries or a &#8216;general&#8217; duty upon every Muslim including us in Europe and America? It&#8217;s very easy to state things based on emotion, the job of a Mufti is to substanciate the statement with the texts and context.</p>
<p>You also state, <em>&#8220;We all wish, dream, aspire and hope for a world that does not persecute the Muslims but what are we doing to achieve that? BLOGGING??!!!&#8221;</em> What else can we do in the West, other than speak out against injustice (writing is one way to do that) and use the political tools to raise awareness of it? What exactly do you propose that we do instead?</p>
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		<title>By: OK</title>
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		<dc:creator>OK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3118&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sarah Syed &lt;/a&gt; 

Well said. I think it&#039;s exactly that side of scholarly guidance - whether you agree with it or not - that is being missed or hushed away in discussing contemporary affairs, and at least Imam Anwar filled this void. For that at least he deserves credit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3118" rel="nofollow">@Sarah Syed </a> </p>
<p>Well said. I think it&#8217;s exactly that side of scholarly guidance &#8211; whether you agree with it or not &#8211; that is being missed or hushed away in discussing contemporary affairs, and at least Imam Anwar filled this void. For that at least he deserves credit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Syed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I do not think the Islamic forum of Europe are right in voicing their suspicions and contempt against Shaykh Anwar. Regardless to his statements, he remains a increasingly knowledgeable and practicing person. The level of his piety and righteousness inshaAllah supersedes many of us. So to address him as  Al Awlaki and suppose that his jail experience made him bitter is very very rash. In fact I am disappointed at the author of this article and all those who replied to it. This is no way a balanced approach at all. Is it balanced that we pick our minds for intellectual prose to pose on blog while Muslims countries are at the brink of defeat and demise. We all wish, dream, aspire and hope for a world that does not persecute the Muslims but what are we doing to achieve that? BLOGGING??!!! Yes keeping ourselves informed of the daily occurrence is important but exchange of information occupies all of our day and we squander most our time only discussing that information. 

May Allah lead us to a more fruitful course of action aameen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I do not think the Islamic forum of Europe are right in voicing their suspicions and contempt against Shaykh Anwar. Regardless to his statements, he remains a increasingly knowledgeable and practicing person. The level of his piety and righteousness inshaAllah supersedes many of us. So to address him as  Al Awlaki and suppose that his jail experience made him bitter is very very rash. In fact I am disappointed at the author of this article and all those who replied to it. This is no way a balanced approach at all. Is it balanced that we pick our minds for intellectual prose to pose on blog while Muslims countries are at the brink of defeat and demise. We all wish, dream, aspire and hope for a world that does not persecute the Muslims but what are we doing to achieve that? BLOGGING??!!! Yes keeping ourselves informed of the daily occurrence is important but exchange of information occupies all of our day and we squander most our time only discussing that information. </p>
<p>May Allah lead us to a more fruitful course of action aameen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Syed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Shaykh Anwar that far too many people living in the West comprise their commitment to Allah in order to maintain solidarity with their non-Muslim nation. I also agree when he said that America is fighting a war against Islam and no Muslim in his right mind could possible join the US army and still remain true to his Islamic beliefs.  And I concur that fighting the US army is a joint duty upon Muslims. However, I do not think that Nidal Hassan was justified in killing the US soldiers in the US. He was wrong in joining the US army in the first place. When he realized his mistake, he should have resigned from his post. And if he was really adamant in defending the Muslims from the US army, he should have fought the battle in the battle field or court. Taking someone by surprise and then slaying them is not a justified means of killing in Islam. Murder is only permissible as a retribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Shaykh Anwar that far too many people living in the West comprise their commitment to Allah in order to maintain solidarity with their non-Muslim nation. I also agree when he said that America is fighting a war against Islam and no Muslim in his right mind could possible join the US army and still remain true to his Islamic beliefs.  And I concur that fighting the US army is a joint duty upon Muslims. However, I do not think that Nidal Hassan was justified in killing the US soldiers in the US. He was wrong in joining the US army in the first place. When he realized his mistake, he should have resigned from his post. And if he was really adamant in defending the Muslims from the US army, he should have fought the battle in the battle field or court. Taking someone by surprise and then slaying them is not a justified means of killing in Islam. Murder is only permissible as a retribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a big difference between QF and the IFE! The IFE doesn\&#039;t think that spying on innocent Muslims is right, QF does! The IFE is not suing a blogger for libel just for saying that it hadn\&#039;t submitted its accounts, QF is suing Craig Murray for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a big difference between QF and the IFE! The IFE doesn\&#8217;t think that spying on innocent Muslims is right, QF does! The IFE is not suing a blogger for libel just for saying that it hadn\&#8217;t submitted its accounts, QF is suing Craig Murray for that!</p>
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