While Muslims were rightly outraged at yet another ‘extremist’ witch-hunt against prominent members of the Muslim community, it seems another story has slipped through the Muslim net.
Ed Husain & Co, in the guise of the Quillam Foundation, are being given £1 Million in government funds for their work to counter extremism! Is it a coincidence that this story broke while Muslim attention is focused on the latest extremist outed by the media? Yes, the story would’ve come out eventually – but this was certainly a good time for Ed & Co to bury this ‘bad’ news.
Government funding isn’t of interest to Muslim audiences only. The word is, the story has been floating around since last Ramadan (Oct 08) - was there a rush to get it out now while the attention of the British public is on Gaza and the latest Muslim extremist?
The British public did have their ‘Bush’ moment in re-electing the war criminal Tony Blair, however we are smart enough to recognise the loyalty for sale signs. After all, this is one of the oldest tricks in the book! Money was dished out to our favourite cronies to buy their loyalty – this was the case recently in Iraq: the occupation armies’ supplies did not just include the usual munitions, they also carried ten of millions of US dollars in cash! It’s no secret that it was for the purpose of buying off local tribal leaders and leaders of the resistance.
In Afghanistan, Viagra apparently serves as a cash substitute. Resistance is rather taxing on the old libido.
Back to our friends Ed & Maajid of the Quilliam Foundation: most Muslims immediately recognised their agenda, and now with this mega funding news, others will see the truth. Even other government ministers are calling Britain home to an ‘ex-Islamist industry’.
Perhaps in his quest to gain credibility with Muslims, Ed spoke out against the recent Gaza massacre and was critical of Israel. For his troubles, he was labelled as stupid and ignorant by Melanie Phillips.
I have some sincere advice for Ed and his buddy Maajid:
Speaking the truth does make you enemies, and speaking out against government policies does loose funding. You would of course know all about that, apparently your foundation is helping local authorities identity ‘extremist’ groups who receive grants and use their facilities.
If you spoke the truth too often, you will also loose your mega grants. You have a choice – the truth or money. My advice is to forget trying to be an Islamist, a moderate or even an ex-Islamist. Just try be a good Muslim who is prepared to speak the truth. And do get a proper job, that should help with the credibility issue.
I, AAA, hereby confirm my belief that Allah’s laws are superior to all other laws.
I also declare that I am not a member of IFE or Jamaat (and declare that Sid has made himself look like a fool thinking i was), and don’t have any clue with regards to Sid’s allegations.
Still, he may wish to forward them to IFE here:
http://www.islamicforumeurope.com/live/ife.php?doc=contact
Alternatively, he may wish to take the matter directly to the Hague here:
The Prosecutor
POBox 19519
2500 Hague
Netherlands
Fax +31 70 515 8 555
otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int
But please note, the Hague has the right to reject any applications founded on wikipedia sources.
I am not going to comment about how good a Muslim you are or not. You are probably a better Muslim than myself. But I am quite concerned about your statement that you dont believe that Allahs Law is superior to man made laws.
You have begun your dodging game once again. There is absolutely no point in discussing with a person who changes his words, doesnt engage in the discussion and contradicts his own statements.
Thank you Sid for finally confirming you disbelieve that Allah’s laws are better than all others. This clearly explains why you are against Allah’s rule being implemented – you do not believe it is as good as those made by other people.
So are you disagreeing with Allah (swt) Himself:
“Verily, to him belongs the creation and the command” (Al-A’raaf)
“Legislation is but for Allah…” (Yusuf)
“What! Have they partners who have ordained for them such things of which Allah has not granted permission?” (Shura)
“And who is better than Allah in legislation, for those who have conviction” (Aali Imran)
“Whatever the Rasool brings to you, accept it. And, whatever he (the Rasool) forbids you of, abstain from it.” (Hashr)
“It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the true religion so that it may prevail over all other religions, even if the polythiests hate it” (Tawbah)
“Then We have put you on a plain way of commandment (Sharee’ah). So follow you that , and follow not the desires of those who know not.” (Jathiyah)
“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.” (Ahzab)
Are you disagreeing that Allah is the Most Wise but that rather that his creation are better knowing than him?
And thank *YOU* so much for comfirming that the IFE brotherhood are ready to give bay’ah to the Ameer of Jamaat-e-Islam, a man who is responsible for the genocide of 2 million Bangladeshi Muslims and the rape of hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi women.
Thank you confirming that the IFE and it’s members are extremists who share the same beliefs as the Hizbut Tahrir, and are fundamentally anti-Muslim, anti-British and anti-Bangladeshi.
It has been a very revealing discussion.
wassalam!
Sid Says:
“”I dont care about some little insignificent country like bangladash but i do want you to answer peoples questions.” – Marc Cohen
Oh dear. I think you have answered my questions.”
How dare you insult me such a way. I have never in my life been insulted in this manner by anyone before, your remarks have crossed the boundaries and they are definetly anti-semetic. Just because i posted my real name doesnt not mean i am some sort of undervocer muslim, how DARE you insult my religion by assuming i am a muslim.
So because your name is SID i dont assume you are not a muslim because its a christian name, but you have decided to do that, this is the incitment of racial hatered against a jew who has done nothing but question your arguments, you do not understand the hurt and anger i am feeling right now.
Anti-Semetic rant from a self-proclaming moderate muslim – ‘yeah right, the Jewish gentleman. And I take it from your name you’re a Christian. So why are you so concerned about my Islamic beliefs?’ – SID
So sid why are you so concerned about islamic beliefs when your name is truly not a muslim one. I have seen you posting on other sites which are run by jews and you are claming to be a good moderate muslim now we all know your true colours.
If you’re really jewish Marc, why do you write in a Bangladeshi accent?
And if you’re a semite, why can’t you even spell “anti-semitic” properly?
Really, is this what you IFE supporters need to resort to? Pathetic :D
Sid -’If you’re really jewish Marc, why do you write in a Bangladeshi accent?
And if you’re a semite, why can’t you even spell “anti-semitic” properly?
Really, is this what you IFE supporters need to resort to? Pathetic’
This has been the worst insult to me and my religion i have ever been exposed to. How dare you continue to insult me you racist. I dont seem to understand how someone writes in a Banglidesh accent, but again this is an insult that you claim that I a follower of the chosen people am form one of the cow worshipping people’s land. The reason why i spelt anti-semitic incorrectly is because this is a blog which i do not proof read its not a perfect essay you fool so obviously there will be spelling mistakes. I cant wait until other jews hear bout this you idiot – Sid the so called moderate makes the following anti-semitic comments,
‘yeah right, the Jewish gentleman. And I take it from your name you’re a Christian. So why are you so concerned about my Islamic beliefs?’
‘If you’re really jewish Marc, why do you write in a Bangladeshi accent?
And if you’re a semite, why can’t you even spell “anti-semitic” properly?
Really, is this what you IFE supporters need to resort to? Pathetic :D’
Very Anti-Semitic comments this will go down well in our community
“It has been a very revealing discussion.” – Sid
Indeed, Sid has revealed much about himself:
- that he DISBELIEVES that Allah is ‘Al-Hakeem’, ‘The Most Wise’, and believes that there can be human beings that are wiser than their creator
- that he disbelieves that Allah’s laws are better than those made by Allah’s creation
- that he disbeleives and rejects Allah’s own words (i.e. the Quran) such as ““And who is better than Allah in legislation…” (Aal Imran)
-that he disbeleves Muslims should live and implement Allah’s rules
- that he is ready to support the right for Israel (a Jewish State) to exist but not for there to be an Islamic one
- that he has a thing against Jews who (allegedly) use a mixture of Christian and Jewish names
- that he has a blind hatred for IFE which makes him beleve every opponent is a memeber
- that he has an obsession with the 70’s and alleged genocide which I am clueless over
- that he is sophisticated enough to support his allegations with Wikipedia quotes from Ed Hussain
-that he is even MORE foolish to believe that i am a member of IFE
- that he continues to make accusations of alleged crimes to members of the public
“Oh but I don’t.” – Sid
So you are saying that allah is not supreme so are you taking parts of the book and rejecting other part?
Sid has finally acknowledged, that disbelieves in the statement “Allah Law is superior than man made law”
therefore he denies the Quranic injunctions;
“it is he who has sent His messenger with guidenceand true religion so that it may prevail over akk other religions, even if the polythesit hate it” (Tawbah)
therefore- denies the Quran- as one cannot pick and choose what they take from the Word of Allah.
Therefore denied Allah.
Therefore his opinion on Islamic matters is irrelevent
Sid say- ” why are you so concerned about my Islamic belief” to Marc Cohen.
So we can ask Sid so why are you concerned about the belief of Muslims, mind your own buisness.
Sid stop pretending to be muslim. What is your real name Sidney, Sidonio, Sidcup, Sidnem, definaltly not Siddique.
Sid, you really are a twit to believe everyone here is a member of IFE or jamaat or whatever.
Really man, when you argue against Islamic rule and go against the Quran and reject that Allah is the Most Wise, don’t think that IFE members are the only one’s who are going to be on your case.
I mean, you’ve just gone against Allah and the Prophet (and the Sahabah!). Every honest muslims is gonna have something against you! This aint ‘moderate’, this is beleving in parts of ‘the Book’, and disbelieving in other parts. This is changing the Quran!
No wonder you dont believe in Islamic Rule – no point arguing with you then!
Burn sucker, Burn!
Sid i think you have been EXPOSED!
who are you really working for… Daily Mail, Mosad, KGB, PKK, BNP, Combat 18, Scientologist, Freemasons!
You need to be bit more smarter to be working Mi5.
Hey guys he is definetly not working for any jewish afiliated organisation or people he is realy anti-semitic look at his statement about be below,
‘yeah right, the Jewish gentleman. And I take it from your name you’re a Christian. So why are you so concerned about my Islamic beliefs?’
‘If you’re really jewish Marc, why do you write in a Bangladeshi accent?
And if you’re a semite, why can’t you even spell “anti-semitic” properly?
Really, is this what you IFE supporters need to resort to? Pathetic :D’
He must be something else (not a jew) if he is not a muslim
Sid, i was hoping for a better answer from you.
I mean your answer is precisly why i dont like so called “moderate muslim” they are always beating around the bush, avoiding the question. having two faces, one in public and one in private.
We should really be worried about your type. You are the real extremist.
I trust Mustafa’s type more, as at least they are open about what they believe and are people of principle. I think us brits can work better and in more of a transparent way with him and people like him, then you.
You on the other hand seem to be unpredictable, one minute your mr. nice guy the next minute you could be a a serial killer.
Apologies to Mustafa for my earlier rudeness, Sid is the real bigot.
Wait until Harrys Place hear bout this anti-semite
This discussion is now dead. Sid has accepted that he doesnt believe Allah’s law to be superior to man made law. That is clear disbelief.
Apologies to Emily, Marc, Davied and all my non muslim bloggers freinds, for Sid’s anti-semitism and lack of cooperation. he really show his real colour when he is on a muslim forum.
He is, as Emily said earlier, a real BIGOT.
And i can say confidently not in my NAME, as he is apparently not a M U S L I M, by denial of the basic beliefs of Islam.
DAILY MAIL HEADLINE:
SID- DENIES ISLAMIC ARTICLES OF FAITH
Ex- Extremist is a Real Extremist!
Dudu – thank you for your apology but i want an apology from Sid as he was the one who has been racist. Sid if you have an ounce of decnsy you would apologies for your statement and retract them all. You are being shunned by the non-muslims and muslims – where can you turn?
Was not expecting Sid to say what he said. I have been taken aback by his response.
Maybe we should change the agenda’s i set earlier.
I have nothing else to say.
Sid, please don’t assume that I’m here to ‘attack’ you. At the end of the day, if a brother sees a potential fault in someone (i.e. your belief regarding Allah’s law – potentially disbelief) then it becoms his duty to change that for his brothers’ benefit: “the religion is naseeha (well-wishing)”.
And by the way, I am not IFE (and it appears that others arent either), but would still like to say that any who believe that Allah’s law is superior, like Joseph has said, will also fully agree that- SHOULD your accusations be proven true in a court – that murderes and criminals should be brought to justice (and everyone knows that Allah is severe in punishment). If they escape it in this world, they will not when they meet Allah.
At the same time, I would reiterate that such heavy claims need to be proven in a court with strong evidence, otherwise this ‘false testimony’ is itself a heinous crime from the major kabirah sins.
So with that aside, my requesst remains that you retract what you said and show your true love for Allah, your Creator and Master, and accept that His words are true, His wisdom is unmatched (”Does He not know who He created?” (Mulk)), and that His rules should be obeyed and implemented as he instructs (”and he who does not rule by that which Allah has revealed, then verily, they are the disbelievers”) just as the Prophet (saw) and his companions did (”…then it will be a khilafah on the methodology of the Prophetic way” (hadith)).
If you still choose to reject Allah’s wisdom and commands and in His laws, then I’m afraid you will be doing the same act as Iblees when he was ordered to obey and submit to Allah’s command and he refused due to his own ‘justification’:
“32. (Allâh) said: “O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?”
33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: “I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.” (Hijr)
And in doing so he was declared by His Master as a disbleiver:
“He refused and was arrogant and became from the disbelievers” (Baqarah)
And generally, such rejection leads to such consequences:
“And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh or denies the truth, when it comes to him? Is there not a dwelling in Hell for disbelievers.” (Ankabut)
So please take that advice in yourself and think over it. Check what it means to truly love Allah and believe in Him (swt), and think about our answers to Him when we meet Him (swt).
Marc, I’m sorry to hear Sid insult you in that way.
That’s really not what I expected from Sid given that he presents himself to non-muslims the way he does on other blogs.
And i am now even more convinced over his ‘fanatical’ obsessive hatred he has for for Azad Ali and his group. I don’t think that with such a biased agenda,his thoughts on the Muslim community can ever be accepted again.
It would be a bit like listening to Hitler talk about the Jews – (no offence Marc!)…
Hey, Metro boy, why are you using my name, get your own. You set the agenda not me! To bad no one followed it!
sorry, i was thinking about yor comments and typed your name in unconsciously.
and it went through, apologies.
i admit the comment posted at 8.09, under your name was a mistake, SORRY!
But i am astyonished at Sid’s response!
OK apology accepted! dont do it again,otherwise i will report you to Admin, and they will put you where the sun does not shine.
And dont get any funny ideas!!
Goodnight razakars ;)
Just read thru this whole thing. Can’t believe Sid had the nerve to come on and talk about Islam and Muslims like an expert ‘thinker’ when he don’t even fully believe in the book of Islam!
And the hypocrisy he had to even ask for quotes from the Quran under a guise of ‘islamic discussion’, only to reject the Quranic verses the next minute!
I get it now why superiority of God’s laws were the core to this – no point talking to somebody about ‘Khilafah’ when he don’t even believe Allah’s laws are good enough.
BUT (really) having said all that, I’m not happy that he’s gone this way. After all, this aint a laughing matter to God.
I really like RRR’s advice – just hope it don’t fall on deaf ears and a dead heart.
Sid says:
“Good night Razakars”
Guess Sid’s gone to sleep dreaming about razakars (I assume they must be a football team or something).
Thankfully though, he HAS proven his two faces – both with muslims and non-muslims! Tut, tut, tut…
Sid says:
“Good night Razakars”
Sid says goodnight to his teddy bear called ‘Razakars’.
Goodnight Sid.
I cant believe Sid he still continues to insult me and be anti-semitic and sitll has not apologised the below are his statements against me,
‘yeah right, the Jewish gentleman. And I take it from your name you’re a Christian. So why are you so concerned about my Islamic beliefs?’
‘If you’re really jewish Marc, why do you write in a Bangladeshi accent?
And if you’re a semite, why can’t you even spell “anti-semitic” properly?
Really, is this what you IFE supporters need to resort to? Pathetic :D’
‘Goodnight razakars ;)’
Now he is calling me names which i dont what it means. We must all start a campagian to get him to apologise to me and retract his anti-semitic statement.
you guys have completly lost me now! it looks like Sid has said something unreligious and got himself in trouble.
Sid join me for some weed its Friday night, it will help clear things up for you! Emily, David, Marc, Alpha, Tim your welcome as well!
Sid you never directly answered my question that according to your beliefs will i go to hell for being gay?
Thanks for the invite Craig.
Mightv’e joined you if I knew who you were!
News Flash-
Sid- real name- Sid Vicious (because he killed a mouse that went up his trousers),
is a member of the National Front,
Only problem is, his asian, he has to wear alot of make up to be accepted.
He says at heart his a real english man.
National Front members thinks otherwise, but let him play along,
they might need him later on.
one NF member is qouted as saying “what a twit(Sid)”
ONLY PULLING YOUR LEG SID
no need to pull his leg, its TRUE!
Sid the man who claims to be muslim but denies the quranic verses and then has the cheek to say ‘I’m a better Muslim than your Jamaati leaders’ – SID
Even though i dont know anything about jamaati leaders they must be better muslim than SID since SID has denounced parts of the quran.
Poor SID looks like he is a moderate but is really an extremst – Moderate by denoucing the laws of Allah and extreme by being anti-semitic and insulting Emily, David and Marc amongst others. Looks like Sid is stuck in a corner he cant get out of!
By the way Craig, where are you at?
And why on earth are you having a go at Sid?
I thought i’ll join the anti-Sid rant, it seemed quit fun.
Anyway, Sid i was only joking! i am serious about meeting up, you seem like a fun guy, i’m in Liverpool, you anyway near by?
I like this new group the “Anti-Sid Rant” i think it will get lots of members! Count me in.
Sorry, too far away for me (and smoking weed’s not my thing!).
Hey i heard about weed and dont mind joinin in guys! This whole blog has been really funny it has made me laugh so i wanted to say thanks for the entertainment ppl
Should try it, it good for you! will relieve some of that tension!
I found this blog from reading about Mr Ali today and thought i would check it out. And i must say its been a good read so keep it up and i will try to join in the discussions. I must say that there have been too many questions and not enough answers.
Everyone has their own ways of relaxing!
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Whoa! He actually said that?! And then he refused to accept those verses RRR posted (by the way I respect that poster’s apporoach – honest and sincere. Perhaps more of us should take an exampe?)?
There’s a line to calling yourself ‘liberal’, but that’s beyond the line of Islam! And then to act with ‘authority’ on Islam…
Still, i wish he hadn’t done that – for his own deen
This discussion is now dead. Sid has accepted that he doesnt believe Allah’s law to be superior to man made law. That is clear disbelief.
This discussion is far from dead y’akhi! :D
In actual fact three million people are dead from the actions of Jamaat-e-Islam with their Pakistani overlords. And that crime against humanity will continue to stick like a thorn in the flesh of the Jamaat-e-Islam and its supporters because each time you try and play the victim card here in the UK or try and talk up “balanced jihad”, you can be sure that you will be reminded of the time in 1971 when Jamaat was on a “jihad” of their own which involved slaughtering and raping innocent Muslims in Bangladesh.
Now as far as disbelief is concerned, here is a question for you:
What are the chances that you or the individuals involved with the IFE and the East London Mosque and other Jamaat fronts have savings accounts, private and corporate pensions, credit card balances, houses and cars bought on loans and mortgages?
If so, then you’ve benefitted from usury or Riba, in Arabic.
Now you must obviously think that Allah’s laws on usury which are clear as daylight in the Quran and Sunnah should be downplayed or just plain ignored. After all, this is the modern world and Muslims here in “Dar al Harb” (as you would regard it) can’t live without jobs, cars and houses, isn’t that so? Well guess what? That is the practice of disbelief in Allah’s word.
Take a look at these:
And there are plenty more Quranic ayats on Riba, if your’re interested. This time with real explicit meanings. None of the kind of references from the Quran with imaginary wishful thinking about the caliphate tagged onto them, which you bida’h merchants have so far supplied in this discussion.
The seriousness of interest is compared with waging war with God and His Messenger. There is no other known sin that God has declared war against the
sinner. This seriousness is being reinforced by the Prophet when he was reported to have said, “A dirham of riba which a man receives knowingly is worse
than committing adultery thirty-six times” (Mishkat al-Masabih). In another tradition, the Prophet said, “Riba has seventy segments, the least serious being equivalent to a man committing adultery with his own mother” (Ibn Majah).
So if you have an individual savings account, a pension, credit card, a house or stuff bought on a loan or mortgage or if the IFE and the East London Mosque have any of these, then you and they have benefitted from usury. In which case, as the statements above tell us, it is highly likely that you have declared war with God and his Messenger
But then if you’re ready to excuse your Jamaati leaders of those grave crimes against humanity both in practice and in speech, who’s going to get hurt by a little Riba here and there? Right?
I’ll let you marinade in that for a while.
Wassalam.
Oh dear SID – Why do you like diverting the topic all the time. We were never talking about Riba we were talking about the laws of allah and the chaliphate. And truly the argument was answered by your self as stated below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
So this discussion is now dead. Sid has accepted that he doesnt believe Allah’s law to be superior to man made law. That is clear disbelief.
So Sid whats the point in believing in parts of the book and rejecting others. You have to completely accept everything that has been revealed by allah, this is not a religion of pics and choose. The argument was never about Riba.
Sid, if you deny- Allah supremacy in law making, you deny Allah, therefore you have no right to talk about RIBA, as it is an Islamic concept!
Sid- You need to become a MUSLIM first before you can talk about Islamic Concepts!
SID- DENIER OF MUSLIM ARTICLES OF FAITH
Poor sid i think he is really confused in his quran at home made by the quilliam foundation it only has 50 sura’s and they all are about riba and nothing about the laws of allah – hey wait a min isnt riba a hukum as well – but sid said he doesnt believe in the supremecy of allahs laws.
OH what a flawed counter argument sid
I think you’ll find that as far as Riba is concerned, it is you whose denying articles of faith. But you can carry on deluding yourselves into thinking that your observance of Islamic law is dependent on *MY* beliefs. :D
So you can deny your accountability to Sharia law as far Riba is concerned by pointing to me and saying that I deny. Nicely dodged. But you can’t do that in the case of esteemed individuals such as Abu `Abdallah Muhammad ibn Yazid Ibn Majah al-Rab`i al-Qazwini.
Listen sid you have denied articles of faith and clearly said you do not believe in the supremecy of the laws of allah over all other laws so that also means you dont belive riba is wrong – you need to become a muslim first mate as nicely said by inside man
just a reminder of what you have said,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Or indeed the Quran and Sunnah itselfL
3:130 O you who have believed, do not consume usury, doubled and multiplied, but fear Allah that you may be successful.
Well obviously the above verse is not talking to you since you dont believe becasue of what you have said below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Listen sid you have denied articles of faith and clearly said you do not believe in the supremecy of the laws of allah over all other laws so that also means you dont belive riba is wrong – you need to become a muslim first mate as nicely said by inside man
Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.
But what is *YOUR* excuse for failure to believe in Allah’s demands on the obsevance of Riba? How are you excusing yourself of belief of the seriousness of Riba?
What bida’h have you cooked up now?
Oh sid you have just re-confirmed your disbelif again as siad below,
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now’ – Sid
So you either accept it all or dont accept any of it there is no pick and choose. So just give up mate dont continue to argue because you have dsbelieved and by believeing that Riba is a sin will not get you back into the fold of islam.
so below is a summary of everything you have said so far – your dieblief is clear for every muslim to see.
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
NO ONE IS DENYING RIBA is HARAM. What matters here is that you! who deny basic Articles of Faith, do not have say in ISLAMIC MATTERS or to make JUDGEMENT on other MUSLIMS or Groups about their pracitce. At least they not deny FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH even if they are making mistakes or commiting sins.
SINS- does not equal- Kufr,. Knowingly and open DENIAL of Articles of Faith- DOES EQUAL KUFR!
You have no right to comment on Khilafah, Riba, Ummah!
SID- YOUR A SAD PERSON- STOP PRETENDING TO BE A MUSLIM
What proof does Sid have about Jamaati leaders raping 2 million women.
If he is a muslim how can he deny that Allah(SWT) laws are supreme above all laws.
Not to belive in the laws of Allah(SWT) and claiming to be better than Jamaati leaders just shows what kind of MUSLIM he is.
SID why don’t you join Ed and friends or you already have
So you either accept it all or dont accept any of it there is no pick and choose. So just give up mate dont continue to argue because you have dsbelieved and by believeing that Riba is a sin will not get you back into the fold of islam.
But Shaykh Wiki, you do profess to be a better believer than me. So how do those mortgage payments your dad is making, or the car you’ve bought, or the computer you’re blogging on feel now when you know the seriousness of Riba was reinforced by the Prophet when he was reported to have said, “A dirham of riba which a man receives knowingly is worse than committing adultery thirty-six times” (Mishkat al-Masabih). In another tradition, the Prophet said, “Riba has seventy segments, the least serious being equivalent to a man committing adultery with his own mother” (Ibn Majah).
hmmmmm?
listen sid i know you are trying to change the subject but i am not going to scumb i have never refuted or denied any articles of faith, quran or islam. so it goes back to you mate the open denier of quran, allah, his lordship, his suprmecy, his messenger so stop talking about something which doesnt concern you since your not a muslim – yeah that right you have left the fold of islam by openly saying the below point,
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
i dont profess to be a better beliver than you! i am a beliver and you are not so your point is flawed. that makes me better than the best of you (disbelivers) even IF I WAS the most sinning muslim on this world.
again going back a non-muslim cannot talk about riba being haram since he doesnt belive in the quran as said below,
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’- sid
You have:
a) Used bida’h about the caliphate being obligatory
b) Benefitted from Riba
But you may or may not have “refuted or denied any articles of faith, quran or islam”.
So you must be a better believer than others. ;-)
Sid,
Please retract your denial as it is disbelief. You are not realising the seriousness of your statement.
What worth is there in arguing over points back and forth while you lose your faith as a result? Better to stay away from debate and instead learn knowledge that will preserve our faith and protect us from Allahs anger in the Hereafter.
again sid is trying to change the subject – we are not talking about bida, or riba we are talking about the denial of the articles of faith which sid has openly said as quoted below,
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’ – sid
so it really doesnt matter about anything else about me because a non-muslim cannot and will not ever be better than a muslim – becasue islam is what is the defining line of good and bad, truth and falsehood, wright and wrong!
Sid – i think you need to get lost from this islamic blog and make your own blog for ex-muslims there is no point in you continuing as everyone know now your are not a muslim anymore. So save your self the humiliation and get lost.
Sid Bring proof about the caliphate being a bidah.
You denied the shariah of Allah(SWT) and now you are also denying the Khilafah.
Be careful otherwise you might not be muslim anymore!
Headline:
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
Shaykh Wiki,
A blog is about the exchange of ideas. If that concept makes you uncomfortable, why don’t you ask the IFE to close this blog down, so you can carry on a circle jerk of your own to reinforce each others’ beliefs?
Proof to the above headline is below,
SID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
In other news:
IFE and Jamaat suporters have been known to
1) Benefit from Riba
2) esseminate Bida’h
3) Pledge baya’h (allegiance) to Muslim genocide perpetrators.
Headline:
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
joseph
The Quranic ayats you posted were these:
There is no mention of the caliphate being obligatory on Muslims in these. Admit it.
But the Quranic ayats on the evil nature of Riba are as clear as daylight:
You are not admitting the seriousness of your transgressions.
The seriousness of Riba was reinforced by the Prophet when he was reported to have said, “A dirham of riba which a man receives knowingly is worse than committing adultery thirty-six times” (Mishkat al-Masabih). In another tradition, the Prophet said, “Riba has seventy segments, the least serious being equivalent to a man committing adultery with his own mother” (Ibn Majah).
How do you people feel about committing adultery with your own mothers?
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage ya Shaykh. :-o
You are wither a muslim or non-muslim there is no in between – Since you have clearly said you disbeliver in the religion you are a non-muslim, so stop pretending to be a muslim and talk about issue of islam. Admit it you have left the fold of islam!
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
But what’s your excuse for benefitting from Riba? All I want to know is are there any tafsirs which your IFE sheikhs have presented which abrogate the Quran and Hadeeths and excuse you from the seriousness of transgression of Riba?
I mean, its not like they’re above excusing themselves from killing Muslims. Riba should be a no-brainer. ;)
This has never been about Riba and i suggest if you have an issue with IFE you take it up with them, ther is no point in talking to me about since i am not an IFE member or supporter. But the point of this discussion is below,
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid,
You fool. You openly declare your disbelief in the Qur’ans superiority and affirm that you “dont believe in certain articles of faith” and you still have the foolishness to continue a discussion by fabricating lies and showing that the ahkaam of the Qur’an matter to you. Your fabrications regarding IFE and its links to jamaat and now your fabrications regarding IFE and its endorsements of riba clearly show you are a liar. and the worst form of lying is to lie in public without any shame.
The saying is true: “You can never win a argument with the ignorant”, because no matter what you say, he will still believe that he is correct and his opponent is wrong
Hey, are you saying you don’t not benefitting from Riba just because you’re not a member of the IFE, ya Shaykh? If only it were that easy…
:D
You really need to stop changing the subject with all your attemps its still not working. the bottom line is you are not a muslim so you need to stop pretending to be one and admit that you have left the fold of islam. Thats the bottom line.
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
joseph joseph joseph
You’re not getting my point. I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them. You can call me all the names in the world for thinking that.
But you do or profess you do. Because you believe that every single point of Sharia are relevant and that the “ahkaam of the Qur’an matter to you”.
You can call me a disbeliever, but the poinst I have made about Riba are straight from the Quran and Sunnah and every reference is there for you to check.
So since you benefit from Riba, the onus is on you to admit your sins and call yourself, as the Prophet himself instructed, an adulterer with your own mother.
so sid you have just answered your onw question,
Sid Says,
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
So stop talking about Riba and focus on the matter in hand that you have left the fold of islam – go on say it!
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith. But you’re an adulterer with your own mother, said the Prophet (sawws).
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Assume all you like about me my friend but the point remains the same,
‘BREAKING NEWS’
Sid: Denies Article of Faith
SID SAID – ‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Suprised at you Sid.
There is no need to become abusive!
Salam everyone,
I wanted to contirbute to this blog topic. I must say that Mr. Sid keeps on talking but never seems to listen. Shaykh Wiki keeps on repeating the same point which i have got but seems like Mr. Sid has not. Joesph seems to be a muslim but has a christian name – confusing? and every one else is just comical.
Well this is just my observations i hope no one takes offence :)
I though this blog was about government funding how the hell has this discussion moved to something crazy. You fools i hope you all destroy your selves – pretending to be moderate and keep on stealing my money i pay in tax, if they gave me the money i could eridacate the extremists in one foul sweep.
Sid- Yeah- Your GOING to HELL- According the the Prophet (saw)- Because you denied the supramacy of ALLAH’s Law.
stop worrying about hell and smoke some weed as was recommended last night
Sid, the more you speak the more you are increasing in your statements of disbelief. Please just stop this debate for your own good.
Just for the record, I dont take any riba. I have never taken any loans whether for a car, house, computer or studies. I have never used a credit card nor have i ever applied for a mortgage. I am not an IFE member.
I, like all other Muslims, believe that riba is a major sin and transgression, whether in small amounts or large amounts and the one who does it needs to make tawbah to Allah before he dies.
I like all other Muslims, believe that the one who denies that Riba is Haram is a disbeliver. I also believe that the one who believes the Islam is not applicable today and its not necessary to follow the Qur’an is a discbeliever. What do such people think about Allah? That He was unaware of our society in 21st century and He sent us an impractical Deen as a result? That He was not wise enough to forsee the technological, scientific, social advancements and so He gave us a way of life that is not practical today? I seek refuge in Allah from such thoughts.
Sid, please take back what you have said or atleast dont make any more comments as this is no joke.
“But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.” [3:90]
“Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.” [4:137]
Other bloggers, i dont advise you to egg someone on or encourage him down this slippery path.
Sid just give up. You have lost.
In the process compromised your deen or even left the fold of islam.
Just like Ed and crew.
How much were you paid by Brown to sell your deen?
Joseph I have not urged someone on into disbelief I just wanted the matter clear and resolved and it has been and it is clear from his statements below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Sid Said:
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid Said:
‘I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage’
Sid Said:
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
Sid Said:
‘Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith.’
Sid Said:
‘You can call me a disbeliever’
Case CLOSED
joseph
I think that inspite of the immature and peurile jokers who have contributed to this discussion you are certainly the most sincere, the most contemplative and the easiest to have a discussion with.
But I really think there is a need for review of the law of Riba in Sharia, because there are Muslims who have mortgages, taken loans and do all the necessary financial management that modern day finance is built, but who are obviously not evil and are sincerely dismayed by the verses on Riba.
Listen sid at this moment we are not talking abour riba and why should it concern you since you are not a muslim. Sort it out mate! remember your statements you made before which are below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Sid Said:
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid Said:
‘I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage’
Sid Said:
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
Sid Said:
‘Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith.’
Sid Said:
‘You can call me a disbeliever’
So just get lost and stop trying to talk about islam no one wants to hear it