While Muslims were rightly outraged at yet another ‘extremist’ witch-hunt against prominent members of the Muslim community, it seems another story has slipped through the Muslim net.
Ed Husain & Co, in the guise of the Quillam Foundation, are being given £1 Million in government funds for their work to counter extremism! Is it a coincidence that this story broke while Muslim attention is focused on the latest extremist outed by the media? Yes, the story would’ve come out eventually – but this was certainly a good time for Ed & Co to bury this ‘bad’ news.
Government funding isn’t of interest to Muslim audiences only. The word is, the story has been floating around since last Ramadan (Oct 08) - was there a rush to get it out now while the attention of the British public is on Gaza and the latest Muslim extremist?
The British public did have their ‘Bush’ moment in re-electing the war criminal Tony Blair, however we are smart enough to recognise the loyalty for sale signs. After all, this is one of the oldest tricks in the book! Money was dished out to our favourite cronies to buy their loyalty – this was the case recently in Iraq: the occupation armies’ supplies did not just include the usual munitions, they also carried ten of millions of US dollars in cash! It’s no secret that it was for the purpose of buying off local tribal leaders and leaders of the resistance.
In Afghanistan, Viagra apparently serves as a cash substitute. Resistance is rather taxing on the old libido.
Back to our friends Ed & Maajid of the Quilliam Foundation: most Muslims immediately recognised their agenda, and now with this mega funding news, others will see the truth. Even other government ministers are calling Britain home to an ‘ex-Islamist industry’.
Perhaps in his quest to gain credibility with Muslims, Ed spoke out against the recent Gaza massacre and was critical of Israel. For his troubles, he was labelled as stupid and ignorant by Melanie Phillips.
I have some sincere advice for Ed and his buddy Maajid:
Speaking the truth does make you enemies, and speaking out against government policies does loose funding. You would of course know all about that, apparently your foundation is helping local authorities identity ‘extremist’ groups who receive grants and use their facilities.
If you spoke the truth too often, you will also loose your mega grants. You have a choice – the truth or money. My advice is to forget trying to be an Islamist, a moderate or even an ex-Islamist. Just try be a good Muslim who is prepared to speak the truth. And do get a proper job, that should help with the credibility issue.
This is a very interesting discussion. I have learned a lot from this blog about Islam and the many views of the Muslims.
It would help the discussion if Sid answered the question that is directly posed at him. It seems you are always diverting the topic (eg. to interest), which does not help the discussion.
So to make this clear, Sid says he denies some of the articles of faith, one being that God’s law is supreme over others and establishing Khilafah? Which means he has disbelieved…. is that correct?
yes he has disbelieved because a muslim must accept all aspects of the religion. Because he has chosen to reject some areas of islam he then becomes a non-muslim because of his disbelief. Because he also has denied portions of the quran which is a complete revelation which must be fully accepted. By rejecting a portion of the quran it means you have rejected a portion of the religion which leads to diebelief. the statements of his dis belief are below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Sid Said:
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid Said:
‘I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage’
Sid Said:
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
Sid Said:
‘Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith.’
Sid Said:
‘You can call me a disbeliever’
The Quran, The laws of Allah and the Shariah are fundementals of Islam by not accepting any one of the aforementioned will make the individual a disbeliver. There are many other fundmentals of the religion but i have focused on these three since they are the issues which have been rejected by Sid
Thank you for the quick reply.
This issue in regards to Islamic belief (what makes a Muslim and take them out) is out of my realms, I will post on more political issues, such as I have on Palestine.
Such discussions though do increase my knowledge of Islam and Muslims.
I hope other bloggers will answer the many questions I have and may pose.
I will be more than happy to answer your questions Chris.
I understand some of the discussions would be difficult for you to understand… so please do ask. Islam is a simple religion, its just some people like Sid try and make it difficult for themselves and others.
Just keep reading and blogging buddy!
“But I really think there is a need for review of the law of Riba in Sharia, because there are Muslims who have mortgages, taken loans and do all the necessary financial management that modern day finance is built, but who are obviously not evil and are sincerely dismayed by the verses on Riba”
Without realising (perhaps) you are creating more complications Sid. I am not going to consign you to Hell. I dont have that power or that right. But I am extremely concerned for any muslim to entertain disbelief as acceptable. Why? Because Allah regards it as unacceptable. You are correct to say that many MUSLIMS “have mortgages, taken loans” etc I know of a countless number myself. But ISLAM does not allow Riba. So we must learn to distinguish between the actions of muslims and the dictates of the Religion Islam.
All people commit sin, thats just human, and its acceptable in the eyes of Allah so long as we feel regret and repent to Him:
“But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly) believe,- verily thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [7:153] See also [16:119]
Allah knows that we will commit sins and He doesnt mind so long as we repent to Him straight away. After all He describes Himself as The Merciful, The Oft-Forgiving, The Compassionate etc so He loves to show His slaves all of these qualities that He has.
But what is unaaceptable is to BELIEVE THAT IT IS OK TO commit sin and break His laws. Thats totally different. We do not have any right to do that. Allah is the one who legislates and decides what His creation can or can not do. Thats what being Muslim is about – it is to SUBMIT TO ALLAHS WILL. Not to question Him or to expect Him to amend/adapt His Religion, but it is to willingly accept and obey His Commands. Whether we like it or dislike it – thats the essence of being a Muslim.
Hey Hey Hey joseph stop giving into Sid and start to talk about another subject Riba. There is no need as he is not a muslim and let him be stop trying to rectify his mistakes, you need to start to worry about your self and let this apostate worry about his own actions remember his statems of disbelief. Just in case anyone has forgotten they are below so everyone can see with his own eyes and read with his own mouth that which Sid has said about Islam.
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Sid Said:
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid Said:
‘I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage’
Sid Said:
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
Sid Said:
‘Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith.’
Sid Said:
‘You can call me a disbeliever’
So, please refrain from making other comments, the implications of which you may not understand. Such as what you said about certain Muslims who are “sincerely dismayed by the verses on Riba”. This statement constitutes disbelief because it implys that these Muslims are unhappy with Allahs command and dislike what he revealed:
“That is because they hate the Revelation of Allah. so He has made their deeds fruitless.” [47:9]
Muslims can not HATE or dislike what Allah has revealed in the book. We give the revelation priority over our own reason and logic. Soon we’ll find that the reveleation will guide the intellect and we’ll arrive at conclusions that are balanced, true and non-contradictory.
If you want to discuss further in a constructive manner, we can do so. But it must be with an open heart and willingness to listen:
“Verily in this is a Message for ANY THAT HAS A HEART and understanding or WHO GIVES EAR and earnestly witnesses (the truth). ” [50:37]
Shaykh wiki
I am not getting diverted here. The issue isnt actually riba, or mortgages or khilafah at all. Its more fundamental than that. Its the core of our beliefs as Muslims – the necessity to accept that the Book of Allah is a revelation and its binding upon us until we die and it is complete and prefect. Obviously Sid has difficulties with that. So either he is deliberatley and stubbornly uttering disbelief or he is doing it out of ignorance, in which case lets give him a chance to repent and amend his ways.
Whats the benefit in seeing a Muslim lose his way and end up humiliated in this world and punished in the Herafter?
Well this so called muslim is clearly a staunch enemy of islam so i think he knows that what he is saying is dibelief and it has not been said out of ignorance. So let him be he has definetly lost any credibility he had with any muslims now and by reading the other statements he also has lost credibility with the non-muslims who he has ridiuled before. So who cares now Sid has been exposed and now we can let him be
And by the way he is not a muslim Joseph.
Sid, I only assumed that you are a Muslim. But all your comments indicate otherwise. If you are a disbeliever you should not pretend or give the impression that you arent one
Hey Sid since you have been rejected by your muslim people then why dont you join me down the pub today we can watch the football and have a pint. Wot do you say?
Later we can smoke some weed and forget about this blog and everything that has happened today. Just relax?
“But I really think there is a need for review of the law of Riba in Sharia, because there are Muslims who have mortgages, taken loans and do all the necessary financial management that modern day finance is built, but who are obviously not evil and are sincerely dismayed by the verses on Riba.” – Sid
You have been delving into serious matters that recall the ‘modifying’ of this religion that Allah has perfected for us. My sincere advice for you would be to sit with a learned scholars and clear any misconceptions you may have.
This deen hasbeen completed and is not subject to any further change:
“This day, i have PERFECTED your religion for you, and completed my favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your religion” (Maaidah)
“O Messenger, convey what has been sent down to you, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed your message” (Maaidah)
And the Messenger (saw) definitely conveyed his message, and his message was the last of messages, the ’seal of the prophets’, to be followed to the end of time:
“And We have not sent you except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most of men know not” (saba)
The Prophet (saw) himself informed us:
“I have left you on a clear evidence, none diverts from it except the one who is destroyed.”
As Joseph rightly said, to accuse this noble Godly message as ‘unapllicable’ today and aim to change it is to accuse Allah – who ‘knows what is ahead of them and what has gone before them’ – as failing to have foreseen our situation in this century, or that the Quran left something out from today:
“We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
Those who reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allâh sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.” (An’aam)
The Disbelievers of Makkah likewise saw the message and rulings of the Prophet (saw) as ‘unapplicable’ to their society – even thouh many accepted that the message was the truth. Their argument wasn’t against the Prophet per se, but against the message and rulling he brought with him that went againts their own wishful ways:
“We know indeed the grief which their words cause you (O Muhammad SAW): it is not you that they deny, but it is the VERSES (the Qur’ân) of Allâh that the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers) deny. ” (An’aam)
When they begged for this message to be changed, the Messenger of Allah refused out of his fear of Allah:
” And when Our Clear Verses are recited unto them, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say: Bring us a Qur’ân other than this, or change it.”Say (O Muhammad SAW): “IT IS NOT FOR ME TO CHANGE IT on my own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).” (Yunus)
This message is applicable to every time and place, as it has been for 1400 years, and has been perfeced as such until the Last Day – how not so when it has been revealed by the Most Wise who knows every hidden thing?
It is most definitely applicable/compatible today, but that dooes not neccessarily mean everyone will be happy with it, as the nature of obeying Allah is that the nafs dislikes the sacrifice even though it may be in its own interests and benefit, just like the disbelievers of Makkah disliked the message and laws even though they knew it was truthful. And likewise, our response should follow after the Prophet of Allah (saw): “It is not for me to change it on my own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).”
The idea of incompatibality is merely an illusion. the message and commands of Allah are only incompatible with the desires and whims of people who do not submit to Allah, or have misconceptions regarding Allah’s wisdom.
Riba is without a doubt a most heinous crime, and the warnings regarding it hve already been mentioned. It should not be encouraged or practiced, and any who practice it should immediately stop.
However, it does not reach the level of disbelief as there is no proof from Allah or His Messenger to say so. It will only become disbelief in the case where a person ‘rejects’ the ruling regarding Ribaa out of arrogance in a refusal to obey, just as Iblees rejected Allah’s commanded out of arrogance in a refusal to obey:
“He refused and was arrogant and became from the disbelievers” (Baqarah)
The difference between his action (i.e. disbelief), and a sin is that in the case of the latter, the sinner does not refuse or ‘reject’ Allah’s command, but rather may do the sin while still admitting to his guilt and admitting that he has sinned. This is a sinner, and every one of us has done this. In fact, this is what seperated Adam (as) from Ibless. Adam (as) like Ibless disboeyed Allah’s command by eating from the tree. However, unlikee Ibless, his action was not out of ‘refusal’ or ‘rejection’, nor did he disagree with Allah’s command. Rather he and his wife (as) immediately tunred to Allah in repentance, and their Lord forgave them:
“They said: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (A’raaf)
“Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.”(Ta Ha)
well said RRR
I must say that i agree completley with the statements of Joseph and RRR, Islam was completed by the prophet as said in the verse below,
“This day, i have PERFECTED your religion for you, and completed my favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your religion” (Maaidah)
This verse alone is sufficient to quell all of sid’s arguments about not accepting certain articles of faith. Sid do you know what you have been saying? Do you understand what you have been saying? Do you also undersatand the consequences of your statements? This is a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly.
So whats the big deal if Sid is not a Muslim? That has nothing to do with this blog so who cares. The blog was about the Quilliam Foundation recieveing funds from the government to tackle extremisim so why dont we all go back to the main point.
My view is the government need to spend more money to tackle this growing problem and I applaude the Quilliam Foundation for being the first organisation to publicy be working towards making a more cohesive and tolerant society. We all must push out the fanatics and allow the true muslims who adovcate peace and harmony through. There is no room for hate in this country and everyone has had enough of this growing fear that has been caused in our society.
So I will stand up and applaud the Quilliam Foundation for making a stand againsty the extremists. It takes a lot of courgae and it also comes with a lot of danger because now they will be attacked physically, verbally and mentally by the extreme nutcases who hate to see peace in this beautiful country.
To all those non-muslims who visit this blog let me tell you about the real islam. To find out more please vist our website http://www.salafipublications.com. Here you can lear about the true version of islam and not the one which is advocated by this wish-wash muslims on this forum
Abu Musa
Yes very good, but what does that mean for you? You continue to benefitting from Riba, in the supine notion that you can carry on doing what you’re doing and Allah will forgive you.
Which is why I don’t take religious counsel from extremists who are quick to call others non-Muslims or non-believers but are even quicker to excuse themselves of:
a) Bida’h. The “Caliphate is a fard upon Muslims” nonsense when it clearly isn’t.
b) Genocide of Muslims (I guess its ok for Muslims to mass murder Bangladeshi and Sudanese, because they’re poor)
c) Benefitting from Riba with no intention to abate their benefitting from mortgages, loans etc because “it’ll be alright on the night”
Anthony B, agree with you completely. This is my post on the Quilliam.
You people might find this article of interest. Or maybe not ;-)
Sid i have not benefitted from riba, i do not have a mortgage, loan, credit card, or intrest on my bank account i have never consumed riba so your point is stupid. I also accept all aspect of the quran and islam and do not negate any of it. So sid why are you being silly and assuming stupid assumptions. And form what i have gathered from Shaykh Wiki’s posts is that you yourself have said you are a disbeliver. And everyone else can see from your statements that you reject portions of the quran, sunnah, hukum, shariah, hudud among an on going list. All of which takes you out of the fold of islam. So you are being quick in talking nonsense.
Everyone is forgetting again the main point which is below,
AAA said:
“Thank you for confirming you believe that Allah’s law is superior to all other laws.”
Sid replied:
“Oh but I don’t. And neither do you. And certainly not your IFE and Jamaat overlords.”
Sid Said:
‘Yes, but I have admitted that I don’t beleive in certain articles of faith. I’m not hiding that. I’ve admitted openly right here, right now.’
Sid Said:
‘I hope you’re on a tracker mortgage’
Sid Said:
‘I don’t believe that certain parts of Shariah are applicable in this day and age. Riba is one of them.’
Sid Said:
‘Yes Shaykh, you’re right. I deny certain articles of faith.’
Sid Said:
‘You can call me a disbeliever’
So your not a muslim so stop talking about aspects of the religion which you are not part of. Finally you seem to have quiet conventinely only answered the questions of the bloggers you ant and not answered the blogs of Joseph and RRR who have made it clear to you that you cannot leave any aspect of the religion. Whats your answer to them SID. Dont aviod the point!
Craig you pot smoking punk where the hell is you aligeance, we the british people do not need scum like you who align with muslims who want to just destory us. The best thing would be to gather them together and put them on a boat and send them out of our land. Choesion will only work when these muslims become more like us and stop growing beards, and wearing scarfs and living in their ghettos. Thats why i like Sid because he is becoming more like us british people. We the brisith people want our country back and we will do anything to achive that. But unfortuantly the only way we can currently try to achieve this is by funding the integrated muslims who are willing to intergrate further into our society to a level where can share the same values, ideas and religion and not the ones who want to live in the dark ages.
Sid-”i dont believe that certain parts of shariah are applicable is this day and age. Riba is one of them”
Sid-”yes shaykh.I deny certain aticles of faith”
Sid-”you can me a disbeliver”
Why are you still talking about Islamic issues! if you are saying the above things, then you have no right
to talk about Islamic issues.
As you said to Emily “if your an atheist then you dont beleive in God. So why are you asking whether you will
be going to heaven or hell for your atheism…either your atheist or your not. What a stupied non-sequitur”
so Sid to you we say ” if you are a non believer is certian fundamentals of islam, then you dont believe in Allah,
so WHY are asking about riba…either your disbeliver or your not. What a stupied non-sequitor”
By the way most muslims dont use riba, knowingly being haram, defintaly not knowing that if they deny it they will
leave the fold of islam. EXCEPT ofcourse your TYPE- who are have confessed their disbelief!
Sid, after seeing your lack of will to acknowledge a true discussion (even though the topic is not my field, your ‘hit’ agenda is ‘broad as broadway’!), I am beginning to find it nonsensical the way you are – and there’s no better way to describe this – blindly going around in circles by yourself ‘crying out for attention’ parroting the same baseless claims and allegations.
Very soon, you will be diagnosed with schizophrenia (God forbid of course!)!
Yo, Anthony B, go back to your country.
This is my country you fool you need to go back to your backward country you fool.
I love my country and will die for it while you are all sought on destroying me and my people so if you dont like britain then leave
“You people might find this article of interest.” – Sid
Go to your own blog and post it there!
BURN SUCKER BURN!
HEADLINE:
SID- SAYS: “YOU CALL ME A DISBELIEVER!”
Anthony B. YOU RACIST BAFOON, CRAIG WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID-
SID IS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL FRONT
Siyamist you must be muslim so what the hell are you doing in my country which my fathers father fought for with theri blood to protect it from cockroaches like you muslims. Get lost from my country or i will throw you out!
Anthony B. we tolerate your opinions and feelings my friend, but please do not stop over board, there are limits. If you continue, I WILL report you to ADMIN.
I love Britain, I love the free benefits such as the Job seekers allowance.
I love taking your job and your flats.
Ive got a nice shiny red passport by the way. That makes me British, you don’t have to be a skinhead freak like yourself to be British.
“I meant STEP over broad”, i am serious and i WILL REPORT YOU TO ADMIN
Siyamist, please cut it out!
Dudu stop being so serious!
Its harmless FUN!
“Which is why I don’t take religious counsel from extremists who are quick to call others non-Muslims or non-believers” – Sid
It is your choice what you do, but every choice has consequences:
“Do as you wish, verily He is Watching over what you do” (Shura)
And no one asked for you to take ‘religious counsel’ from anyone. But IF you are a Muslim, you must take religious counsel from the Quran (which you ironically quote as ‘evidence’ despite rejecting its own verses).
And it is the Quran which calls your actions disbelief – after all it is imitating Shaytan himself in his rejection (however, even though your comments are rejection and disbelief, legally declaring you as a disbeliever is only left to scholars or in an Islamic court):
“And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh or DENIES the truth, when it comes to him? Is there not a dwelling in Hell for DISBELIEVERS.” (Ankabut)
Peace be upon the one who follows guidance.
Listen blogger i must say something, please do not listen to Anthony B he is just a pure racist. Unlike me i am willing to listen to people of other faiths so we understand each other. I believe that the main reason why there has been issues regarding islam is beacue of misunderstanding. That is why i work with people of other faiths in an inter-faith forum to achieve this. People like Anthony B are a few the majority of british society are good peopl like wise the majority of muslims are good people and its always the minority who try to hijack the show.
Britain doesnt need tratiors like you TIM who align with muslim nutcases
I cant say more otherwise i will be reported to admin.
TRUE SAY:
DUDU YOU’VE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD OR “SID ON THE HEAD”…
Sid-”i dont believe that certain parts of shariah are applicable is this day and age. Riba is one of them”
Sid-”yes shaykh.I deny certain aticles of faith”
Sid-”you can me a disbeliver”
Why are you still talking about Islamic issues! if you are saying the above things, then you have no right
to talk about Islamic issues.
As you said to Emily “if your an atheist then you dont beleive in God. So why are you asking whether you will
be going to heaven or hell for your atheism…either your atheist or your not. What a stupied non-sequitur”
so Sid to you we say ” if you are a non believer is certian fundamentals of islam, then you dont believe in Allah,
so WHY are asking about riba…either your disbeliver or your not. What a stupied non-sequitor”
By the way most muslims dont use riba, knowingly being haram, defintaly not knowing that if they deny it they will
leave the fold of islam. EXCEPT ofcourse your TYPE- who are have confessed their disbelief!
TRUE SAY…
RRR YOU HAVE ALSO HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD…
BURN SUCKER BURN!…
“Which is why I don’t take religious counsel from extremists who are quick to call others non-Muslims or non-believers” – Sid
It is your choice what you do, but every choice has consequences:
“Do as you wish, verily He is Watching over what you do” (Shura)
And no one asked for you to take ‘religious counsel’ from anyone. But IF you are a Muslim, you must take religious counsel from the Quran (which you ironically quote as ‘evidence’ despite rejecting its own verses).
And it is the Quran which calls your actions disbelief – after all it is imitating Shaytan himself in his rejection (however, even though your comments are rejection and disbelief, legally declaring you as a disbeliever is only left to scholars or in an Islamic court):
“And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh or DENIES the truth, when it comes to him? Is there not a dwelling in Hell for DISBELIEVERS.” (Ankabut)
Peace be upon the one who follows guidance.
Sid you are really silly. You need to understand when your beaten you have rejected islam but yet you still want to talk about it. You are purley here to cause disruption and not for any benefit. If you were on this blog to get some benefit then you would have taken the advise of the muslims that have been mentioned by various people. You are not sincere because if you were you would have repented now as you have been given the clear evidences. Repent now or get lost as it is totally pointless to engage in any conversation with you.
The fire is your abode
‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ – Inside Man
This is the type of extremist rehoric I was talking about. You have hit the nail on the head :)
Sid Says:
“‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ – Inside Man
This is the type of extremist rehoric I was talking about. You have hit the nail on the head ”
Actually, ‘burn sucker burn’ is a rock n roll track. It’s a shame you see everything as ‘extremist’ (I see what Tim meant by your ‘agenda’).
You should let your hair down sometimes – go rock n roll!
Unfortunatley youno understanding about this discussion the comments “‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ was in relation to burning in the Hellfire since I have been branded as a disbeliver they have condemed me to Hell. So it has nothing to do with rock n roll Hailey.
And these comments aginst me are the exact type of extremism I have been talking about all along. I guess thats how you can justify the killing of 3 million Muslims in Bangladesh.
Unfortunatley you don’t understanding about this discussion the comments “‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ was in relation to burning in the Hellfire since I have been branded as a disbeliver they have condemed me to Hell. So it has nothing to do with rock n roll Hailey.
And these comments aginst me are the exact type of extremism I have been talking about all along. I guess thats how you can justify the killing of 3 million Muslims in Bangladesh.
Unfortunatley you do not understand anything about this discussion; the comment ‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ was in relation to burning in the Hellfire since I have been branded as a disbeliver they have decided to condemed me to Hell. So it has nothing to do with Rock ‘n’ Roll Hailey.
And these comments aginst me are the exact type of extremism I have been talking about all along. I guess thats how you can justify the killing of 3 million Muslims in Bangladesh.
Listen everyone do you really think I am stupid? I know that all these non-muslim names that have been used are actual Muslims pretending to be non-muslims so just stop. It’s not going to work I know that Hailey, Emily, Tim, Craig and others are all muslims.
What is it you are all scared to? Scared to talk to me as a Muslim? It must be because i have exposed IFE in their dealings with Riba and their connection with Jamaat and their murder of 3 million muslims and your bid’ah in making the chaliphate an obligation.
By the way Anthony B I agree with you that the british people have had enough and need to see change in the muslim community or they must all leave.
Last time i checked Sid i was a not a muslim so maybe you should not go on these public rants and make a fool of your self. IF you have a point to make then make it with good resoning and not throw accusations around because like a boomerang it will only come back and hit you in the face.
“Listen everyone do you really think I am stupid?” – Sid
Yes.
OMG!
I just popped onto this thread for the first time!
Why on mother earth do yo think I don’t understand any of this, and then immediately charge me as a fake!
You seriosuly need to let your hair down my friend. It’s hard to tell WHO the extremist is here…
SID – ‘Listen everyone do you really think I am stupid?’
HELL YEAH
Sid said:
“Scared to talk to me as a Muslim?…the british people have had enough and need to see change in the muslim community or they must all leave.”
Sid, if you are a Muslim and you believe the Muslim community must all leave, please take your own advice and leave first.
I have withdrawn from this discussion because of the number of non-serious posters on the thread. My last post was at January 31st, 2009 at 9:40 pm. All other comments under the name of “Sid” after that point are impersonators.
wassalam!
Good riddance – dont come back again and what an excuse to leave – Just admit it you have been ridiculed
Sid- your assumptions are pethatic, you think that any decent minded non-muslim, who supports muslims is a muslim. In fact some of them did not even support Islam, they just spoke agaist you. And any non muslim who hate Islam and muslims is a Friend, i.e. Anthony B. who seems to be an open racist.
I really think that you were not even a muslim in the first place, pretending to be one to make you islamphobic comments, and hence you think everyone else whose on is a pathetic as you.
I think this says a lot about yout character as a ARROGANT, BIGOTED, TWISTED,SAD BEING.
STOP TRYING TO BE A BANGALI
Hope not to hear for you again.
He has realised how much of a fool he has made of his self and thats your real reason for withdrwaing and not some lame excuse. Victory to the TRUTH
Now this is interesting indeed! Paranoia I say!
Honestly, if Sid is convinced that everyone who opposes him is a Muslim, and that every one who supports him is a non-muslim, then I can only descibe him as paranoid, as this defintion is the only one that fits him adequately:
” Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others” (Dictionary)
SID! your assumptions are pethatic, you think that any decent minded non-muslim, who supports muslims is a muslim. In fact some of them did not even support Islam, they just spoke agaist you. And any non muslim who hate Islam and muslims is a Friend, i.e. Anthony B. who seems to be an open racist.
I really think that you were not even a muslim in the first place, pretending to be one to make you islamphobic comments, and hence you think everyone else whose on is a pathetic as you.
I think this says a lot about yout character as a ARROGANT, BIGOTED, TWISTED,SAD BEING.
STOP TRYING TO BE A BANGALI
Hope not to hear for you again!
The issue of Islamic Rule has been covered extensively in the previous 300 posts, but Sid will of course deny it as he refuses that Islamic rule is legitimate in Islam, even though it is clearly (and obviously) the case from the Quran and the Sunnah.
Anyone who believes that Allah’s rules and judgements are superior and should be practiced will agree for there to be any land that practices this (just as the Prophet (saw) did in Madinah), i.e any land that believes and carries out Allah’s law seeing it as the best is what Muslims ideally want – whether that be in Africa or Antacrtica, whether that be called a ‘caliphate’ or ‘dalliphate’, this is the Islamic rule which is obligated.
Sid, also claims that Islamic rule is a ‘bid’ah’, when the very hadith that warns against bid’ah tells us to follow the example of the righteous ‘Khulafaa’ (leaders of the Islamic Khilafah) who ruled by Allah’s law and established, maintained and empowered Islamic rule:
““Those who live after me will witness much controversy. Therefore, my SUNNAH and the SUNNAH of the pious and righteous KHULAFAA are incumbent upon you. Hold firmly onto it. Cling to it (the Sunnah) with your jaws. Beware of innovation. Every new thing (i.e. new practice introduced as part of the Deen) is an innovation (Bid’ah). And every Bid’ah (innovation) is error manifest.” (tirmidhi)
So clearlythe Prophet (saw) established Islamic rule and justice in Madina, so that is part of his sunnah which shold be followed and ‘clung onto’.
Clearly, the righteous ‘khulafaa’ and the sahaba all maintained and even expanded Islamic rule and justice in the peninsula and beyond, so that is their ’sunnah’ that must be ‘clung onto’.
Doing other than that and hoing against their way (as Sid argues) and inventing something other than what they did is a ‘new thing, and every new thing is an innovation (Bid’ah). And every Bid’ah (innovation) is error manifest.” (tirmidhi)
Peace be upon the one who follows guidance.
Interesting discussion! not sure i undertstand everything.
Good to see that Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist and others discussing things together in a constructive way. it is inevitable that you will get one or two radicals from different sides, but that is what democracy is about! The important thing is that we have taken the step towards opening a dialogue between members of this multicultural reality we find ourselves in.
I think it is WEBSITES like this that will help bring a more cohesive, open and tolerant society, rather than our authorities pumping money into rogue groups who have their own agenda. Lets get more people on to bloggs like this.
Keep up the good work!
hey sid dont go i came to this blog to back you up. dont let the muslims win
Sid- The ORIGNIAL and FAKE “bid’ah merchant”
I thinks there is no need to go on about the KHILAFAH, I think the matter has long been settled. Nealy 400 posts now!
Like I have already said I have withdrawn from this discussion because of the number of non-serious posters on the thread.
Alhamdullah as always the truth will be apparant and as we all can see. There was always only one person upholding batil and that was Sid and the haq was too much for him to take so he had to give in. I hope we all have learned someting from this blog.
Bill
Come along to Picked Politics
http://www.pickledpolitics.com
That’s where you will find the British secular progressivea from Sikh, Hindu, Jewish and Muslim backgrounds discussing matters seriously, sanely and without counterfactuals peddled by the extremists on this site.
‘This has been a very revealing discussion’ – Sid
Most certainly Sid has revealed the following:
-runs away by jumping from topic to topic (e.g. Quillam to funding to IFE to Jamaat to 70’s to Islamic Ruling to riba etc.)
-Sid failed to answer any questions/arguments posed to him
-claims to express his real ‘disbeliefs’ ‘right here, right now;, after 100 posts have bee persuading him to say it a bit quicker
-Sid suffers from paranoia:
-believes everyone here is memebr of IFE
-believes everyone here is also involved in alleged rape and genocide from the 70s
-believes this blog is a war crimes tribunal to post allegations of rape and murder
-supports his war crimes allegations against people on this blog with wikipedia sources as proof
-fails to take his war crimes claims to the Hague despite the address being posted here
-fails to take his allegation against the IFE directly
-beleves there is a conspiracy against him
-believes all non-muslim posters who don’t support him must be muslim fakes
-believes that you have to support Sid and make racist commetns to be considerd a genuine non-muslim
-believes that all who oppose Sid must be ‘extremist’
-beleves he is a ‘better muslim’ even though he denies Muslim beliefs and the Muslims’ book
-believes that Allah’s wisdom is not good enough
-believes that the Prophet (saw) failed to fulfil his message properly
-believes that Allah failed to give an adequate religion and that Sid can improve it
-believes that Allah’s laws are not as good as others’
-disbelieves in Quranic verses
-argues about Islam even though he denies the beliefs, rules, and Book of Islam
-parrots the same claims even though 360 posts have obliterated them
-avoids constructive debate
-wastes time
-is deceiving
-is arrogant
Tim
The comment you’re attributing to me was not by me but by one my impersonators who now post under the name of Sid on this blog.
wassalam!
I do like your excuse!
I do like the fact that you post under “English” names with messages about how they agree with you. What a great technique. You soft-jihadists are not called Taqiyya-Muslims for nothing.
wassalam!
What is this Sid?
Paranoia?
Bipolar disorder?
Split personailities?
[scratching head]
Whoa!
Talk about mind games Sid! Nice try!
Since you’re all intent on denying the rights of 2 million Muslims who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated with the collaboration of the Jamaat in Bangladesh in 1971, and since you’re all very keen on peddling the bida’h of the caliphate, in spite of there being absolutely no Quranic and Sunnnah references to back you up making you the Hizbut Tahrir 2.0, I guess you won’t be too concerned about benefitting from Riba.
The seriousness of Riba was reinforced by the Prophet when he was reported to have said, “A dirham of riba which a man receives knowingly is worse than committing adultery thirty-six times” (Mishkat al-Masabih). In another tradition, the Prophet said, “Riba has seventy segments, the least serious being equivalent to a man committing adultery with his own mother” (Ibn Majah).
So even if you soft extremists have collectively brainwashed yourselves to hate the Joos and the world banking system “they control”, remember to keep up with your mortgage payments. After all, you’re not really committing adultery 36 times with your mum, that’s just an ayat from the Quran. Easily ignored. Right?
wassalam!
Tim,
Maybe Sid is a woman? Not that I am saying that women are generally anything like this! But there is a pattern to all the posts.
Sid accusess – You rebut – Sid carries on accusing – You show evidence, Sid carries on accusing – you show overwhelming evidence…Sid changes the subject …
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion
Sounds like Sid to me – You Troll
Sid if you dont like it here then get lost go back to pickled politics there you will be at home.
Also how do i know your the real sid you are the impersonator
Anthony, sorry mate, i dont leave in Nazi Germany, i leave in 21centuary britian. I have friends from all sorts of backgrounds, alot of them are good muslims, they have never talked about any violance, rather talked rationally about what they want in the society they live in, and how to make britain a better place for everyone. It is neo-fascists like you who turn young men into extremist.
I stand by what i said before, If muslims want to establish a islamic government in the UK they are allowed under democratic doctrine, it does not mean i agree with sariah law but means if it was established via democratic means, i will have to abide by it. This is in theory- in reality ofcoursei it is very unlikely to ever happen. But atleast in theory we as a democratic nation can say You are welcome.
Otherwise how are we different than the totaliterrian regimes in the middle east, if we dont allow fair representation.
NO to FASCISM!
Sid i am suprised you are agreeing with some of Anthony’s points, you should know better. dont be fooled by Anthony, once his lot finish with the others, they will come after you.
And Anthony try some weed, it will reactivate some of the dead brain cells in your head.
Exhibit 1: Sid-”i dont believe that certain parts of shariah are applicable is this day and age. Riba is one of them”
Exhibit 2: Sid-”So since you benefit from Riba, the onus is on you to admit your sins and call yourself, as the Prophet himself instructed, an adulterer with your own mother”
Sid-your the only one on this blog to have admited to Riba being allowed- which means you are justifying your use of it. (Everyone have declared that the use of riba is a heinious crime. And that they are not enagaged with its use)
Therefore Exhibit 2, you presented earlier applies to YOU! You are ther real incesterous paranoid, two faced loonatic.
Dont tell me that everyone at Quillium Foundation are also involved in Incest! eeehhhh!
Sid says:
“The seriousness of Riba was reinforced by the Prophet when he was reported to have said…”
Whoa! The anti-Quran man becomes all Quranic! He must suffer from a split-personality disorder!
Is this the new Sid or the old Sid? Becuase I swear this topic has been covered in extensive detail and thrown back in Sid’s face (to Sid’s shame) a hundred times somewhere in the 350+ post before especially by RRR, Joseph and others.
But of course, Sid is blind to any of that (or this is just the new Sid who just joined!), and will keep spouting the same ‘parrot claims’ over and over again. Revelation’s analysis of Sid’s ‘circle of psychology’ describe it well.
Never thought Sid would stoop as low as a troll.
SID = many things as has been attributed to him but is it summed up in a nut shell by one word – [Deleted]
Sid i cannot understand how you a muslim (who also claims to be a moderate muslim) can side with a neo-nazi like Anthony B. Do you actually know what he stands for? by reading his comments i can say that the only thing in his heart is the hatred of muslims and anything forgien.
And to you Anthony B you spout out such senseless rehotric about british people but yet are you aware of what has made britain great? – It’s Britains multiculturalism. A friend of mine said to me before a very nice statement about british life
‘Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign’
“I do like the fact that you post under “English” names with messages about how they agree with you. What a great technique. You soft-jihadists are not called Taqiyya-Muslims for nothing.” – Sid
Although your paranoia was a little amusing before, Ithink you are beginning to step over the line into the realm of insult.
I find it disgusting how a Bangladeshi like yourself (and this is not against Bangladeshi’s) is bold enough to use ‘English’ names- which is no big deal – only then to accuse a real english person of being otherwise! As if all the English have to somehow conform to your preudiced opinions! Who do you think you are? The only ‘Englsh’ people who you appear to endorse are the fascist bigots like Anthony B who call for the nazi-like deportation of Muslims (including yourself – but you ironically agree anyway) out of the UK!
And you do know that you are the first person to have used the word ‘Jihad’ here? I’ve had disagreements with your agenda in the past, but this makes your ‘trolling’ agenda crystal clear’!
Your prejudice and troll-behaviour is disgustingly unprecedented for someone who has the daring to post under ‘progressive’ colours to other audiences!
oh please don’t talk to me about your ’so called democracy’ trash… that kind of garbage just makes me sick, craig, ma son.
everyone knows that the ‘international community’ (uk, us, russia, eu, un, turkey), do not recognise shariah law or anything that slightly resembles islamic law, EVEN IF it were to come to power through a fair democratic process.
Look to the example of Hamas, they won a landslide victory in what was referred to as ‘an absolute landslide…of the freest and fairest elections that we have probably seen ever in the Arab world,’ by former president of the usa, Jimmy Carter! He had visited Palestine at that time to ensure that the ‘democratic process’ wasn’t going to be undermined. yet, the international world rejected this victory and endorsed israeli aggression against 1000s of civilians in illegally occupied palestine.
some democracy these reformists want the muslim world to adopt and ascribe to…
Elsewhere, in less obvious parts of the world such as turkey, something similar yet different happened. the secular establishments, especially the turkish army, wouldn’t respect nor obey their democratically elected leader abdullah goul, simply because his wife wore the headscarf or that he would prefer that women have the freedom to choose what they wore in houses of parliament or institutions of education! this was in opposition to the ban on wearing certain articles of clothing. The army even threatened military action…
The turkish ruling party are actually very far from the ideals of the shariah law, yet the islaphobia of those in positions of power forced them to oppose even their own legtimate government. This is further proof that protagonists of democracy, non muslims and (so called) muslims alike, actually have no regard for their own systems of government, i.e. democracy.
It’s just the same old two faced, hypocrytical lies that lawyers and politicians breath. NOTHING ELSE.
in the words of one who sid might know, “(the western leadership) only recognise the language of violence. no more negotiations”
or in the words of another, whom sid may idolise “what was taken by force, can only be regained by force”
because the entire world is witness that democracy, and the whole western world that promotes it failed to uphold the very principles that democracy was built upon. The entire world was witness that democracy failed to provide for the very peoples who it said needed democracy the most, or was in a state of turmoil because of the absence of democracy.
disclaimer (fao daily mail, telegraph, evening standard and any other islamophobes)… the views expressed in quotation marks are of the individuals being quoted and not necassarily that of the author of this post/comment. Peace out
Sid said “You can call me a disbeliver”
Sid also said “the comment ‘BURN SUCKER BURN!…’ was in relation to burning in the Hellfire since I have been branded as a disbeliver they have decided to condemed me to Hell.”
Sid- Tim was right, i think you have some mental problems. You forget what you say..
YOU confessed to being a disbeliever yourself, try and rememmber…
and yes, unfortunaltly for you it is Islamic belief, that the ones who dont belive in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, The Hereafter, In Predestination will be destined to Hell, whose fuel is Man and Stone. This may come as a shock to some people, but this is our Belief. If you dont believe in these things, than according to your belief you have nothing to worry about, but according to us you should be worried and look in to the True Religion of Allah, Al Islam.
Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddist, People who believ in Karma- will say the same thing about non-belivers of there religion, and we dont have a problem with it.
My message to my non Muslim friends (including Sid) on this blog. Believe that “there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is His Final Messenger” and agree and submit to everything Allah and His Messenger have commanded us with. and He, Allah excepts nothing less!
We are not forcing Islam on anyone- only conveying the Eternal Message, accept it if you wish or dont, that is YOUR choice!
So Sid, re-consider what you have said, if you want Paradise, you need to REFORM, Islam will not reform for you.
hey guys, don’t martyrise this pathetic excuse for a rotten coconut. aka sid, [Deleted]… in fact, there IS no impersonator of sid, it’s just the same guy, who’s lying to retract some of the obviously blasphemous things he said.
let’s talk about some of the other entries on this blog, the recent ones are pretty good. every one move over now…
‘previously deleted’ -… aka sid, the zionazi [Deleted]
waddup admin?
Can we please stop the personal insults and debate the issues.
Also a change of topic might be a good idea. I think the current theme is getting rather circular.
Abdullah Says:
“Can we please stop the personal insults and debate the issues.
Also a change of topic might be a good idea. I think the current theme is getting rather circular.”
I agree. With Sid’s agenda, beliefs and trolling exposed, and arguments debated and refuted, all further personal remarks should stop.
But there aren’t any issues left to discuss Abdullah. The previous 380+ responses have dealth with any ‘issues’ in detail with some really good educational responses from some.
With this said, I belifeve that this discussion is now dead (all over again).
ok, fair enough. I don’t know why admin is feeling sorry for sid. he deserves every bit of it.
Agreed.
Goodnight Sid.
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http://www.michaelheart.com/Song_for_Gaza.html
This discussio was amusing to say the least. I’ve been following Sid on his own blog occasionally myself, but like others, I can’t help but be bewildered by Sid’s hypocrisy, he spent this whole forum throwing empty shots at ‘jamati leaders’ and Azad Ali and IFE etc. but I couldn’t make sense of it given he’s been accusing his opponenets on his own blog for doing the same (see http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1743 comment 9):
” Sid —
It was only a matter of time before the Islamists would start ATTACKING PERSONALITIES rather than the ideas. I wonder why that is? Nothing to do with the fact that they’re bereft of a clue and locked into a crumbling edifice, is it?”
I have yet to see a more pompous show of hypocrisy!