We are the Resistance!

With the death toll now exceeding 350 and the injured exceeding 1,600 – there is no respite from the terrorist slaughter machine of the Zionist state of Israel. America and our own government have given much fuel to this machine and in fact helped to build the killing machine. So let us be clear about this.

Also, let us be clear that the Egyptian government played an active role in ensuring maximum death and carnage of the Muslims in Palestine.

So what is the aim of this mass murder? Well it’s ideological. How you may ask? The stated aim of the Zionist terrorist state is to destroy Hamas and what it stands for, i.e. Freedom. You may notice that Fatah are not being targeted nor are they bleeding for the Muslims in Gaza, but hopefully they will once they return to their humanity.

We have seen this before in 2006 when the same Zionist terrorist state attacked Muslims in Lebanon, with the usual amount of fuel being supplied by America and the UK, so let us not be surprised by it – though we should be completely outraged.

So now let me introduce to you the definition of terrorism (bear with me):

    1. In this Act ‘terrorism’ means the use or threat of action where-
    (a) the action falls within subsection (2),
    (b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
    (c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.

So the use of threat designed to influence the government (Hamas) or to intimidate the Public, here it is both the Muslims of Palestine and Muslims living here in the UK – this is borne out by the fact that we cannot support Hamas, a legitimate government. As for the Palestinians, they are reaping the ‘reward’ of freely choosing Hamas to form their government.

Point C mentions that the threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political (get rid of Hamas), religious (hmm) or ideological. This last point (ideological) is the West’s obsession with the deconstruction of Islam and its own violent promotion of secularisation. From the obsessive drive of redefining Jihad, with the usual amount of ‘brown sahibs’, to the complete eradication of the need of the Caliphate, which we know is a necessity in itself (read Shaykh Nuh). This is the ideological cause that America and the UK (with others) have embarked upon, using the Zionist terrorist state of Israel as its enforcer in the Middle East.

    2. Action falls within this subsection if it-
    (a) involves serious violence against a person,
    (b) involves serious damage to property,
    (c) endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,
    (d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
    (e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

Involves serious violence, well we can safely say that the Zionist terrorist state is using serious violence. Involves damage to property, yep that’s happened too. Endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action – yep that’s true too. Creates serious risk to health and safety, yep that is true, not just by this action but by the starvation and blockade setup by America, UK and others, enforced by the Zionist terrorist state and their friends the Egyptian Government. You just have to cry when you read E – designed to seriously interfere with or seriously disrupt an electronic system – yeah you do achieve that when you blow up the power stations, stop fuel from coming in. But what do we say when drinking water supplies are also stopped?!

    3. The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

Yes we can safely say that firearms and explosives are being used!

    4. In this section-
    (a) ‘action’ includes action outside the United Kingdom,
    (b) a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated,
    (c) a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and
    (d) ‘the government’ means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom.

Palestine is outside the UK, B is satisfied and so is C and of course Hamas are the legitimate government being targeted.

So now that we have established that the acts are indeed terrorism, and that the West is glorifying, supporting and helping the Zionist terrorist state, using our own government’s definition, what now?

First we should educate ourselves on the facts, number one being that Palestine is under oppressive occupation that is universally known. We should also know that there is an organised and sustained campaign by the Zionist terrorist state, using sophisticated media techniques, employing a variety of Zionist sympathisers. There are many who are currently sleeper cells within our own ranks, who awake at the right moment, read Quilliam Foundation. We should not forget that some of the rulers in Muslim majority countries are paid stooges of the West, whether it is Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

Second, let us remind ourselves of what our beloved brought us from his Lord.

“Ta Seen Meem. These are the revelations of the manifest scripture. We recite to you some of the story of Moses and Pharaoh in truth, for a people who have faith. Pharaoh exalted himself in the land and divided its people into groups, oppressing one group among them: slaying their sons and sparing their women. Truly, he was one of the tyrants. We desire to bless those who are oppressed in the land, to make them rulers and to make them the heirs, and to establish them in the land. We let Pharaoh, Haman and their hosts receive from them that of which they had feared.”

Third, let us raise our hands to the Giver of Mercy and the Bringer of freedom.

“O Allah, guide us aright along with those who have been rightly guided and grant us safety along with those that have been granted safety and support us along with those that have been supported and add Your Blessings to what You have given us and save us from the harmful effects of what You have ordained (lest we should be wanting in cheerfully submitting to your Decrees) as You alone dispose and no one can dispose against You.

Anyone who is under Your Protection cannot be lowered and anyone who is opposed by You cannot gain dignity; our Lord; You are full of blessings and Most High, we beg forgiveness from You and repent before You and may the blessings of Allah be showered on the Prophet Muhammad.

O Allah, forgive us and the believing men and women and Muslim men and women, unite our hearts with mutual love, set right our mutual affairs and help us against our enemy and Your enemy.

O Allah, let Your curse be on those unbelievers who prevent people from treading Your path, who reject Your prophets and fight Your chosen ones. O Allah, make difficult their plans, shake their feet and give them such punishment which is not turned away from a sinning people.”

Fourth, we should widen our circle of co-operation with others who hold dear to our liberties and freedoms. We need to campaign and work tirelessly to ensure that justice is upheld for all.

Finally, we should know that the aim is to defeat the resistance. So our priority is to ensure that this does not happen. If they wish to arrest us or torture us – yes it is possible here in the West. Let us be prepared, and if they even kill us then how blessed are we?

But we cannot forsake the oppressed, not for one second. We need to help the Muslims. Our beloved said, “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is oppressed.” The Prophet was asked: “It is right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” He replied: “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

Free, free Palestine, from the river to the sea!

32 comments to We are the Resistance!

  • Zafar

    Spot on – see below for more proof!

    # Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in the Zionist entity?

    # Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Zionist entity are color coded to distinguish jews from non-jews?

    # Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron’s 120,000 Palestinians?

    # Did you know the United States awards the israel $5 billion in aid each year?

    # Did you know that yearly US aid to israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the whole African continent?

    # Did you know that the israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

    # Did you know that the israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

    # Did you know that israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

    # Did you know that israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies?

    # Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed by the IDF?

    # Did you know that israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

    # Did you know that israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses, and land and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the confiscation?

    # Did you know that israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

    # Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is the jewish AIPAC?

    # Did you know that israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

    # Did you know that today’s israel sits on the former sites of more than 400 now-vanished Palestinian villages, and that the israeli’s re- named almost every physical site in the country to cover up the traces?

    # Did you know that it was not until 1988 that israelis were barred from running “jews Only” job ads?

    # Did you know that four prime ministers of israel (Begin, Shamir, Rabin, and Sharon) have taken part in either bomb attacks on civilians, massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians from their villages?

    # Did you know that the israeli Foreign Ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote israel to Americans?

    # Did you know that Sharon’s coalition government includes a party — Molodet — which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

    # Did you know that israel’s settlement-building increased in the eight years since Oslo?

    # Did you know that settlement building under Barak doubled compared to settlement building under Netanyahu?

    # Did you know that israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?

    # Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion in at least some instances approved of the expulsion of Palestinians in 1948?

    # Did you know that despite a ban on torture by israel’s High Court of Justice, torture has continued by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

    # Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

  • sabia

    Well written article am glad you pointed out, that “our” government is the problem without trying to be diplomatic or apologetic as that’s what the Muslim community is use to. Thanks to our self elected spokes people in the Muslim community, this is why we have come this far.

    Just few questions how many Muslim leaders, Politician openly spoke against it? Attending a demo hiding within the crowed isn’t good enough, how many spoke at a rally? How many lobbied there Political Party? How many are willing to change their foreign policies? How many have written open letters to the PM in the national papers? How many have gone on National TV, Radio to condemn this? Without being a “coward” oops sorry “diplomatic”?
    Ever since 1948, we’ve been hearing the same rubbish from the Israelis ‘Hamas provoked Israel’s anger time after time. Then who provoked Hamas anger? Israel has bombed Lebanon thousands of times since 1975 and not one has eliminated “terrorism”. It is unbelievable that Israel and the West, after all these years, still refuse to comprehend that peace in the region is only possible if the Palestine are treated as equal. And finally, where is Tony Blair I thought he was the current peace envoy to the Middle East?

  • Wahida

    Excellent post.

    When or will this government ever wake up???

  • saiful

    May Allah reward you for your effort!!

    Ameen!

  • Hector

    “Hamas and what it stands for, i.e. Freedom.”
    No it doesn’t. Hamas avowedly stands for the expulsion of the israelis and the establishment of government by what they suppose to be the principles of islam, a theocracy, which is not freedom by any definition. That in no way excuses the behaviour of the israeli government and armed forces.

  • Sajid

    Hector: Under ‘theocracy’ throughout history when Muslims have ruled resulted in peace and harmony between all religious groups. Under what you may espouse ‘democracy’ Israel is obliterating not only Muslims but Christians too. Study history and you will find Jews were better protected under Islamic rule then any esteem rule. You are a victim of the western media machine so don’t blame you but don’t make ignorant comments. This is not about Hamas this is about who will be subservient to the state of Israel and who won’t, fatah are dogs and conplicit in the attack like the Egyptian government scared of Israel. Any Muslim who submits to Allah would have to do what Hamas is doing. Any right minded human being with some dignity would do what Hamas is doing- that’s why you find even non Muslims standing for Gazans but the so called ‘muslims’ who fear their worldly god ‘israel’ back down or condemn hamas

  • Hector

    Muslim rule, once polytheists had been forced to convert or kiled, resulted in so much peace and harmony between muslim rulers and ruled that Indian and European subjects spent several hundred years trying to get rid of muslim rule and muslims and the hatred of them still continues. I said nothing about democracy, Sajid, but, for what it is worth, the Hamas charter [see http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm } does not offer either democracy or freedom. You are honest enough to say so, but Azad Ali claimed Hamas “stands for… Freedom.” He is mistaken in his claims for Hamas.

  • Sajid

    History shows that most conversion to Islam actually occurred through non violent means, hence the evidence we see today, most if not all the countries that accepted Islam adhere to this religion. On the other hand, the Crusades exploited more blood then any other faiths in it’s quest for expansion. And most natives rejected this faith till this day.

    Anyway, back to the point about Gaza. I don’t think what Azad said is contradictory, it all depends how you define ‘freedom’, if I was Gazan freedom to me would mean, FREEDOM:
    1) to have my forefathers land back
    2) to be treated as a human being and having the dignity to live
    3) to be able to live in security without fearing a jet bombing my house
    4) to be able to see my children grow healthy and see their welfare

    You see Hector, this theocracy ‘islam’ was able to provide all the above proudly to both Jews and Christians, which cannot be reciprocated today. Even if Hamas was a secular organisation, or even not based on Islam, they have 100% support of most of the world public

  • Hector

    An organisation can only have 100% support of the world public if it is supported by literally everybody in the world.
    The Israelis themselves argue that they are taking their forefathers’ land back, that they have returned their to be treated as human beings and to have the dignity to live and they only want to live insecurity without missiles bombing their houses and to see their children grow healthy and to see their welfare.

  • Sajid

    Hector, meant to come out as most people support Hamas 100% ie full backing.
    As regards claiming historical rights, well to be honest that would bring the world to an end, can you imagine:
    The native Indians fighting the ‘white’ Americans and everyone else for that matter for their land
    The native aboriginies fighting and kicking out all the aussies
    The Irish still fighting the English

    And the list goes on…

    but everyone realizes there is a limit to that historical right otherwise if everyone acted as Israel there soul be no ‘world’ as we know it today

  • Hector

    Again, most people in the world don’t even support Hamas 100% in full backing. Most people- very probably most muslims- wouldn’t use the quran alone as the constitution of their state which is what Hamas proposes. My original point was that Azad Ali was mistaken in his claim that “Hamas…means freedom”. Given the record of literal interpretations of the quran as bases for states it probably doesn’t even mean your restricted definition of freedom. Equally, if everyone acted as Hamas there would be no ‘world’ as we know it today. Mediaeval christians and later nazis and communists did and the results were disastrous.
    I didn’t cite the religious or historical claims because I agree with them but because they affect the behaviour of Israelis and palestinians. Many Israelis and Palestinians both claim not just historical but god-given rights which makes things even more complicated. There’s an interesting article here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2008/dec/31/religion-psychology
    If Brown is right many of the Israelis and Palestinians with the most extreme historical/religious claims would cede their practical territorial claims in exchange for absreact recognition of those historical/religious claims. That- at least- is a potentially hopeful sign.

  • Hector – Hamas does stand for freedom and the point isn’t if most people in the world support them. The point is most people want freedom. If Hamas was so obscure and insignificant, then surely they would have not had the success they have had at the elections. A free and democratic election!

    Further the Freedom sought is from Occupation – it is foolish of you to now change this freedom or its understanding with what the free people wish to do once they are free, how pathetic!

    The Palestinians are an occupied people, they have the right to resist this occupation and they can do that via any means necessary as outlined by the Geneva convention.

    Finally, no matter how often the governments in the West or their stooges in the Muslim lands lie, they will be exposed. Hosni Mubarak has been exposed along with the Saudi King.

    Our own FCO is calling Hamas a terrorist organisation – how is it that the victim becomes the terrorist, whilst the occupier becomes legitimate? You and those who think like you must think we are fools to fall for these lies. Have you forgotten the WMD’s?

    For those idiots who want to ban “Hamas” – how will you do this when every single Justice loving person is “enthusiastic”?

  • Hector

    “Freedom: the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints ”

    You confuse democracy and freedom, Azad Ali. Hamas imposes and intends to impose the quran as the constitution of the state. It intends to impose the restrictions on behaviour listed there on others as well as muslims.

  • From the River to the Sea

    Freedom from the Zionist occupiers, victory to the resistance!

    O Allah, improve the state of Ummah of Muhammad. O Allah, grant ease to the Ummah of Muhammad. O Allah, have mercy on the Ummah of Muhammad – peace and blessings be upon him.

    Hamas represent Palestinians, you just don’t like them because they resist the zionists! Freedom is to choose whatever you like, so if the people choose to be Muslims, why does it bother you!?

  • Sajid

    Hector,

    If we take the standard meaning of ‘majority’ to mean either 50% plus 1 or more than half than we will easily find more people in the world sympathise with Hamas and its cause then they do with Israel and its goal. If you attended the pickets outside the Israeli embassy you would have found hundreds of non Muslims who were present. In fact, I invite you to attend the rally this saturday and you would see that proportionally, a large number of non Muslims even from the UK actually sympathise with Hamas.

    Cherie Blair who even went as far as to say that she would consider ’suicide bombing’ if she had no options left for her….now dare I say, the wife of the UK PM say something like that! And you guessed it she was forced to retract her comments.

    Of course there would be more Muslims, your absolutely correct. As Muslims we have a duty to stand against oppression wherever it is. But countries in South America, China, African people-all these people have one thing in common-majority of them sympathise with the oppressed and not the oppressor. Thats exlcuding the Muslim continents.

    Hector, would it make a difference if Hamas was called say ‘Haas’ and it didnt want to implement the law of God, but merely wanted to live as human beings, without the wall, without the embargo, without the merciless bombing-does it really make a difference? I doubt it.

    Hamas gets it guidance and strength from the Quran, that no man shall oppress another, this is their source of guidance and salvation. You are asking the impossible to the oppressed people, the Quran is like water to the fish.

    I am assuming you are of Jewish background, if so, your own history will testify that when the Crusaders came to Jerusalem it was the Jews that sought shelter with the Muslims. Why? Because they afforded the basic rights of ‘freedom’ for the Jews to practise their faith without ‘externally imposed restraints. You would also find that when the Europeans where cleansing Jews in Europe few hundred years ago, the same Jewish community were thriving as a religious community in the Muslim lands. Why? because they were afforded protection and freedom.

    The Muslims of the past were able to provide freedom and protection to the Jews internally and externally because they were following the Quran in its totality. The very noble aim of Hamas today.

  • Khoirul

    Indeed the Hamas charter calls for the destruction of the zionist terrorist state. This state was established from the outset through terrorism and the massacre of its people; every leader of this zionist state has the blood of the Palestinians on his/her hand right from the beginning. Why should this terrorist and racist state not be ended? We call for its end, just as we called for the end of the apartheid state of South Africa. The United Nations General Assembly declared zionism as racism, and we do so too. The dismantling of this zionist terrorist entity is the key to peace and justice in the Middle East. There can be no peace until justice is served; and there can be no justice until the Palestinians can return to their homes.

    It’s time to dismantle the so-called ‘two-state-solution’; let the Palestinian people return to their homes and let their be free and fair election throughout the territory of historic Palestine and you will see the zionist entity crumble before your eyes, because the Palestinian people are not a racist people; the Palestinian people stand for justice, peace and equity. All of these must exist together for a durable solution to the Middle East problem.

  • Hector

    Sajid,
    You make a great many assumptions- acknowledged and unacknowledged- and they are all wrong. Rather than dealing with what you assume I say or what you assume my background is, just deal with exactly what I say. Unlike you, I do not confuse different meanings.

    I have no doubt that most people- a majority+1, as you say- in the world sympathise with the Gazans and probably most sympathise with Hamas. That does not mean they support Hamas and of those that do support Hamas most probably don’t know what Hamas’s policies actually are. It is perfectly possible to sympathise with people you don’t support and perfectly possible to oppose the behaviour of one side in a conflict without supporting its opponents.

    “of course there would be more muslims, your absolutely correct.”
    And you’re absolutely incorrect. Where did I say there would be more muslims? Where would there be more muslims? Muslims do not “have a duty to stand against oppression wherever it is”. Muslims believe they have a duty to bring muslim rule everywhere and they assume that that means ending oppression. They, like you, assume that muslim rule is not oppressive, by definition. Not everyone agrees as the cases of India and Europe cited above show. Indeed, the Israelis who are most hostile as a group to Arabs and muslims are those with experience of the alleged benefits of muslim rule: the descendants of those whose ancestors had their possessions confiscated and were expelled or fled from those countries in the 1950s. Even if the quran were the word of god, the fact that the opinions and orders given in it are given without justification or reason and have no more validity than any other unsubstantiated opinions, whatever their source.

  • Sajid

    Hector,

    The definition of assumption is a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn from the facts available. I apologise for any wrong assumption made as I am working on what information you have divulged. My name is quite clear and my writing clearly reveals my background without anything to hide or conceal. Our discussion would be more fruitful and realistic, I believe, if your background was clear. It is difficult to decipher information without understanding the context and person.

    Nonetheless, my points are very clear and I would not retract any information based on a different assumption about your identity.

    Your comments about people sympathising with Hamas and not supporting it-to be honest that comment undermines the intellectual integrity of even a farmer in Timbuktu! In this modern ‘global village’ where information is shared instantly, in fact even disproportionately in favour of Israel’s ideaology of destruction, most people are fed the information that Hamas are ‘terrorists’, they call for the ‘destruction of Israel’, they are all ’suicide bombers’ etc etc. Even after all of these statements from the media machine bent on pure propaganda, most of the world still sympathise with Hamas (as you agreed)-then that is just purely astounding.

    Support indicates a superficial level of action manifested by action or words. But for people to sympathise with Hamas requires a greater level of knowledge and understanding of their cause and circumstances. This is the reason why most people actually do sympathise with Hamas which is a whole level deeper than mere ’support’. Cherie Blair does not support Hamas (never did and might never do), but when she heard of the situation of the Palestinians she ’sympathised’ with the their plight and made her comments.

    I will make a good assumption, that you are an well versed man, and have a sound knowledge of world events and history. Hence, I would also assume that you know very well that all world powers be it based on faith (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) or non faith (Capitalism, Communism) require an expansionist ideology for their survival (as validated by Samuel P Huntington in his book Clash of Civilisation). It is no secret that Islam did the same from the time of the Prophet Muhammad. If the people were forced to accept Islam or if Islam were spread by the sword, later generations could have renounced Islam and revert back to their former faith or non faith. But history indicates that each generation became more fervent and deeply rooted in the faith until recently, maybe in the last few hundred years when faith waned due to the materialistic developments.

    The point is Muslim rule did expand, like any other powers, but there is a big difference, it did so with less bloodshed than any other systems or powers ever in the history of mankind.

    Compare to the 100 millions of people killed in the World Wars, the Cold War, the Crusades, the current situation in Gaza. Lets not conceal the fact that one of the bloodiest expansionist ideology ever to be created will be ‘democracy’ in its quest to give man ‘freedom’. It is this idealogy that is continuing to justify the killing of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, South America, and all over the world esp by America. Indeed it will also be one of the biggest ‘paradox’ in history, or should I say ‘hypocricy’.

  • Hector

    Why would the clear distinction I made between sympathy for people and support for their opinions undermine the intellectual integrity of a farmer in Timbuktu? As most of the people in the world are not muslims and would not want to be ruled by a party which would use the quran as its constitution then obviously most people- whatever their sympathies- don’t support Hamas. They do not support Hamas’s cause- which avowedly includes the destruction of Israel among other things- but they do have sympathy for their circumstances, or, rather, for the Gazans’ circumstances. They see people being bombed and rocketed and they don’t like it, because they think it is either unnecessary or dosproportionate, especially when some of the people being killed are children.
    You are mistaken in claiming both that Judaism is a world power and that it has an expansionist ideology. Nor is even zionism expansionist beyond a certain point. Even the most extreme Zionist- and zionism and judaism are not at all the same thing; there are non-jewish zionists and anti-zionist jews- does not claim more territory than the ancient kingdom of Israel had at its probably imaginary largest extent. Nor are your suggestion that “faith” and “nonfaith” “world powers” are mutually exclusive true. Mohammed was a successful capitalist. Nor is your claim that islam was not spread by the sword justified. Take a look at contemporary muslim accounts of their earrly conquests. They revel in the number of infidels killed. The numbers may be exaggerated but the approval of killing is manifest.
    The fact that the last areas conquered by muslim powers- the debatable lands from which muslim rule was later expelled- were the ones where conversion to islam was lowest is significant. The historian Richard Fletcher in Bloodfeud pointed out that the rule for mediaeval states was “Expand or go under.” Islam built the same rule into its religion- up to and including the division of the loot. Thus, when a country was comquered by muslims, as well as the evidence of islam’s truth ptovided by success and privileges and relief from taxesgained by becoming a muslim, conversion to islam brought the prospect of wealth in the next stage of the expansion. It’s notable that at times n Spain subjects were forbidden to become muslims to evade taxes and that the Ottomans forcibly converted boys to use as troops while leaving their families as christians. The prospect of being part of an expanding and obviously successful organisation was no longer available to people so the temptation and opportunity shrank.

  • Sajid

    1) Because your making a very bad assumption that people are either stupid to understand the issue in Palestine (read Gaza=Hamas same blog)

    2) Hamas does not want to rule the world-that is a very bad assumption- but only take back land that belonged to them-as required by internation law (UN Resolutions-in fact over 90 of them which Israel wilfuly flouts)

    3) Israel does WANT to expand!!! Now how do we explain the constant ‘expansion’ ‘demolition’ ‘new settlement’ of the Zionist state! This point requires no further comment.

    4) There is a distinction between Judaism and Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionist and in fact some Jews avowedly call for the destruction of the Zionist State.
    Judaism is the only major faith in the world not to have an ‘expanionist’ history not becuase it didnt want to but it didnt have the opportunity! Throughout the ages, Jews were exiled and tested as a community, and the nature of their faith makes it impossible for others to convert or for them to establish power until their prophecy appears.

    That does not mean today Jews have not expanded. In todays world ‘expansionism’ takes place in a new way ‘neo expansionism’ where it is about creating a world wIde support for the state of Israel through strong presence in the media, businesses and almost every strata of life. There goal is one goal, to spread the philosophy of supporting Israel whatever massacre it commits and to condemn anyone who legitimately critices Israle as ‘anti semitic’. So in the 21st century it is about ‘mental domination’ alongside actual land domination.

    5) I will not shy away that a few people died in battles! Thats the nature of battles, when one power comes to remove another oppressor, in history it is very much possible that people died as they opposed Islamic expansion and they met their deaths in battles. Unlike the Crusades and the Zionist state-innocent people were not the targets. Compare the circumstances of their deaths and the the numbers, history affirms Islam cannot be compared with the Crusaders or the current day Zionist State.

    6) Didnt quite comprehend your last paragraph but what I do know is that by the time Islam ruled Spain it was the most advanced part of Europe, with street lights and a generous welfare system. Whilst in other parts of europe people were still debating whether having a ‘bath’ actually does clean you! (maybe the water was really dirty!)

  • Sajid

    About Hamas firing crude rockets:

    let the international comunity allow Hamas to also bring weapons in (it could even be old Russian ones) tanks, anti aircraft weapons, SAM’s, latest rifles….I am pretty sure they will NOT fire home made crude missiles or even consider ’suicide bombings’. These are responses from a people who have no other option available to them to fight one of the most advanced military countries in the world. This is asymmetrical warfare-the war is not equal.

    Even after that I guess a Jewish life in Israel is worth more than 100 Palestinian lives! To date 400 Palestinians dead and only 4 Israelis.

    This Saturday hundreds of demonstrations all over the world are being organised from Sydney to Ottawa. Muslims and more importantly non Muslims will give a clear message to the state of Israel. I think that would speak for itself.

  • Hector

    1) Eh?
    The most likely explanation for Israeli attacks onGaza rather than the West bank is that Israel and Israelis are being attacked from Gaza and not from the West Bank.

    2) What makes you think I assume Hamas wants to rule the world? However, the quran says that islam will rule the world and as good muslims- in their own opinion, at least- Hamas presumably feels obliged and entitled to help bring that about. “Today Palestine; tomorrow…”

    3) I did not say Israel does not want to expand. I said that there is a limit to the desire to expand of even the most extreme Zionist. Both islam and christianity claim the right to expand to rule the whole world.

    4) Precisely “The nature of their faith” obliges jews not to try to convert others. therefore they do not aspire to expand worldwide, unlike their bastard offspring.

    5) The muslim chronicles do not claim that “a few people died in battles”. They claim that a great many people died in battles and a great many more were killed afterwards for refusing to submit or refusing to renounce polytheism. See The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians for translations of contemporary muslim accounts.

    6) Have you heard of the almohads or the almoravids?

    Is your objection to Israeli tactics based on the fact that they fire complex rockets aimed at specific targets when they should fire crude rockets at random then? Over twenty years ago the Muslim brotherhood took over the city of Hama in Syria. The muslim Syrian armed forces destroyed them. It’s thought that between 10,000 and 25,000 people- no-one took an exact count- died. Most of them were not involved. Not many people know that. even fewer mention it.
    The IDF are either amateurs or incompetent or not trying to kill indiscriminately compared with the syrians. compared with

  • Israel_Coward

    The Jews were the ‘burden’ of the Europeans, [Deleted by Blog Editor].

    Every country of the world rejected them, even during those times it was the Ottoman empire that gave them protection.

    Dont think Hector that you have control of USA/UK and the other countries. They are using Israel as much as you are using them. Israel is a ‘buffer’ zone, a testing ground between the Islamic world and the western world. Deep down people dont trust Israelis and never will.

  • Sajid

    Millions of people around the world

    All faiths and non faiths

    Gathered today to condemn the massacre committed by the Zionist state of Israel

    Message pure and simple-
    -the State of Israel Illegal
    -cowards who cannot fight a ground offensive fear of losing their own lives

    People are waking up to the reality of the ugly and heinous face of Zionism

    Its brutal, its treacherous, its illegal, its cowardice mentality will be shown to the world

    Hector, my zionist friend come out of the closet and declare yourself openly!

    Nothing to hide unless you have something to hide!

  • Hector

    How do you know what the message of all the demonstrators was, Sajib? Since when did muslims concern themselves with the messagea of unbelievers? Regardless of the messages, Hmas aspires to create a theocracy and what it offers is not- and avowedly is not- freedom.
    Your claim that Israel “cannot fight a ground offensive” was ill-timed. If a ground offensive has inherent virtues of its own, why didn’t Hamas launch one rather than shooting off misquided missiles?
    What makes you think I am in a closet? What makes you think I hide anything? What makes you think I am a zionist? I am reluctant to teach a muslim his own religion but I am not and cannot be your friend, even rhetorically. The quran says not to make friends among the unbelievers.

  • Sajid

    Because I was there, because I observed and read the news!

    Speakers from Tony Benn, Annie Lennox, Alexei Sayle declared the state of Israel
    as ‘barbaric’ ‘illegal’ and supported the action of Hamas as a resistance movement.

    Ground offensive-dismantle the illegal wall and give them equal weapons. Zionist are afraid to lose their lives. Why bomb a defenseless people for 8 days when they had no equal weapons to start off with then go in for a ground offensive. If the Israelis were brave they should have gone in for a ground offensive from day 1. But from the Lebanon experience they are cowards and get deterred even after heavy bombardments.

    Your are in a ‘closet’, the fact that you dont reveal your identity and feel ‘brave’ under a pseudonym. You are either scared or have something to hide? Dont be scared we are having a free discussion and dont hide anything!

    You dont need to teach me my religion, first master yours. You need elementary lessons in your own religion.

  • Sajid

    ps

    Regarding frienship-I Was never intending to make you my ‘pal’ but you are not my enemy, prima facie. I guess its your loss, you can go back into your closet and into your own world probably without any friends anyway. I guess its tough, how can people become real ‘friends of israel’ after the history of the zionists!

  • Hector

    You were at every demonstration all over the world, Sajid? Some speakers in London- it sounds as though you were there- said Israel was illegal, some said its behaviour was barbaric, some supported the action of Hamas as a resistance movement but not the action of Hamas as a bunch of bigots. You should not assume that all supported all of these things.
    Well, if there is inherent virtue in engaging in a ground offensive without initial preparation, why didn’t Hamas do so rather than shooting off rockets? Why don’t Hamas fighters stay away from civilians rather than hiding among them? Are they offering cut-price tickets to martyrdom by doing so, perhaps?
    How is Hector any more of a pseudonym than Sajid? It’s every bit as real a name. The important questios is not whether we are ‘brave’ or brave, but whether our arguments are sound. I notice that you veer away from any discussion of detail to rhetoric and irrelevances whenever you can. I haven’t hid anything; I have merely tried to keep the discussion on topic rather than galloping wildly off in all directions.
    What makes you think I have a religion? What makes you think i need elementary lessons in it? What if- hypothesising that I do have a religion- it is not the sort of religion that needs mastering? What does whether or not I have a religion have to do with the fact that Hamas quite openly does not offer freedom but a theocracy and wish es to destroy Israel? Hamas themselves are quite honest about what they offer; others are not.
    You make the mistake of assuming that anyone who is not your enemy is in some way your friend. That is as foolish as assuming- you do have a talent for assuming things, I’d agree- that anyone who is not your friend is your enemy.

  • Sajid

    You could for that matter be a young imbecile!

    You dont have credible arguments and faltering like a dead leaf on a dead tree….I think Im wasting the fascia on my fingers typing at you….read all the previous posts and understand before you reply

  • khoirul

    Hector seems to keep regurgitating the ‘theocracy’ argument; in fact his entire argument seems to revolve around this. It begs to ask the question, is it Hamas (and the resistance) that he has a problem with or is it the religious beliefs of Hamas and millions of people around the world? If it is ,terrorism’ and the ‘imposing of an ideology’ that he decries, then he would have equally decried the zionist entity (i’m sure he has, just hasn’t expressed it yet), that came into being through terrorism and that has imposed zionist rule in the territory of historic Palestine by driving out and massacring its people.

    Whether this ideology seeks to impose itself world wide or within a limited territory should not matter; because oppression is oppression, subjugation is subjugation. He seems to also judge the entire Hamas organisation based on a piece of paper that was written many many years ago. You should read ‘Hamas: The Unwritten Chapters’ by Azzam Tamimi, it’ll give you some insight into the intricacies of Hamas. If we base our judgement of people or organisations on pieces of paper, then Israel would have been dismissed from the UN, attacked by the US, (under the auspices of the UN), perhaps even militarily, for non-compliance of UN resolutions; and, more personally, I wouldn’t have to go to an interview on Thursday, because my potential employers should already know that I am capable of doing the job by virtue of my impressive CV (or resume, if you’re American). Hamas have proven to be more pragmatic and more open to compromise than you’re willing to acknowledge; despite winning the elections and being given a clear mandate to rule the entire Palestinian territories, they have extended their hands to form a government of national unity and have clearly rejected the ‘imposition’ of their ideology on their people (not because it is a bad ideology, but because the people are not ready for such an ideology, nor have they chosen it – bombshells your argument of imposing Islam on people (Let there be no compulsion in religion) – when you quote, you should quote within context and consider the entirety rather than picking and chosing what suits you; when you use examples from history, you should also try to look at the entirety too, rather than pick and choose what suits you), they have served the Palestinian people before they came into politics through their plethora of social and welfare initiatives and they are attempting to serve the Palestinians within the scope of politics too.

    They have even bent over backwards to attempt to observe a truce with this treacherous zionist entity, going against some of the very people and organisations that you (Hector) would place in the same category (eg, Al Qaeda and even some moderate groups). The only crime that Hamas have committed is to stay steadfast to the path of resistance (acknowledged as legitimate by the UN, by the AU, by the EU, by every legal and international institution) and refuse to compromise on the basic rights of the Palestinian people (why should I compromise my right to return to my own home?); if these are crimes, then I too am a criminal and so too are every institution I have indicated above. The only reason such institutions condemn Hamas (aside from pressure from the zionists and its puppet ,the US) is because of the dodgy affiliation to ‘terrorism’ (which very few institutions are willing to define or engage in debate) and attacks on ‘civilians’; in fact the only reason Hamas is called a ‘terrorist’ organisation is because of its attacks on ‘civilians’. But who is a civilian in the zionist entity? When I spend part of my day bombarding Palestinian territories, massacring them, humiliating them; and then I come back home, take off my military gear and meet with my friends in cafes and restaurants (enjoying myself), do I become a civilian? When I train for the military and then am in constant readiness to join the military operations when I’m called up, am I a civilian? Recently, the zionist entity called up 11,000 reservists; who are these reservists? The entire population of the zionist entity acts as a reserve for the zionist occupation force (you’d consider it the Israeli Defence Force) – and this is why this conflict is so unique (where lies the battle ground? who are the combatants and non-combatants? are the beligerents equal?).

    The people that can be considered civilians in the zionist entity are the children, and our hearts cry for the children who have been victims (who have incidentally not been many). The constant appeal of the Palestinian people is that ‘the entire world have left us defenceless and we have no other means to defend ourselves’; “O Lord! Give us from You a protecting friend, and a defender!” If we ask the Palestinian people to bow down, then this will set such an awful precedent, where the strong will always subjugate the weak. We did not bow down to Hitler, nor to Stalin, nor to Pol Pot, nor to Idi Amin, nor to the imperialists/colonialists despite their power and strength – we cannot let the people of Palestine bow down to the zionist entity (and the last outpost of colonialism); despite the odds!

  • Hector

    Just to deal with your first paragraph, Khoirul:
    My original point- as you will see in my first post if you look- was not about theocracy but Azad Ali’s claim that “Hamas…stands for… Freedom.” I pointed out that because Hamas is a theocracy that claim is mistaken. As Hamas (and millions of people around the world) have a problem with the religious and nonreligious beliefs of many more millions of people around the world what does it matter what my opinion is of Hamas’s religious beliefs? I don’t think them true and that even if they were true they should not be the basis for a government, but if people impose them on themselves, that’s up to them. If the Palestinians wish to impose those beliefs and the behaviour inspired by them on themselves I have no objection to their doing so. Just don’t call it freedom.
    If you look you will see that I have said nothing about terrorism or imposing an ideology or ‘terrorism’ or ‘imposing an ideology’. I have merely dealt eith unwarranted assumptions and unsubstantiated historical claims. I haven’t decried the zionist entity- there are so many doing so I feel no need to join the chorus; more important, I think what I had to say is relevant whatever your opinion of the zionist entity or the muslim entity or any entity.

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