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The folly of engagement
I was invited as a guest, along with Ed Husain (Quilliam Foundation) on Islam Channel’s ‘Politics and Media’ show – or so I thought.
As it turned out, Ed was not happy to be on a live show with me. His voice broke, his face screwed up with disdain, and the whites of his eyes were plain to see as he retorted, “I’m not going on if he is”.
Ed was apparently upset at my previous post about him, Maajid and Hasan Butt on this blog. I assured him that he had nothing to fear, and that if he truly believed what he said – why not debate them? After all, I had no hard feelings about Ed calling me an ‘extremist’ on national television!
All to no avail. After Ed threatened to walk away, the presenter decided that he would rather have Ed on the show than me, and herein lies the folly of ‘enagement’ – or to be more precise, conditional engagement! It seems that Ed will only ‘engage’ on his terms. That is, Inayat Bunglawala (the co-presenter) cannot be present, nor anyone else who can counter his arguments! So much for democratic debate.
And this is not the first time that Inayat has been ‘sacrificed’. At the recent ‘Living Islam’ camp (by ISB), Ed was also a guest panellist in the ‘Question Time’ debate. His appearance was again apparently conditional on Inayat Bunglawala’s absence from the panel.
So what led the Islamic Society of Britain and others to sacrifice their ‘own’ for a one-way discussion with Ed? Has ISB forgotten Ed’s remarks about the Prophet Muhammad? Or his ‘comical’support for the Iraq war? He was for the war against Iraq, but stopped supporting it after the first innocent Iraqi was killed! Can you imagine the naïveté? Ed, you really should not believe what you read in those comic books!
For what possible motive has ISB, and others like the Radical Middle Way, overlooked these transgressions without challenge or debate, and capitulate to an open endorsement? Has any of the Islam-bashing been publicly retracted by Ed without us noticing?
It cannot surely be in the interest of free speech and debate. After all, Ed ensures that doesn’t happen. And for all those believe it was good to have included Ed on the panel discussion, so he could face the barrage of disapproval, jeering and boos, I have one question. When have Muslims ever supported Ed? Did they applaud when he called the Hadith (prophetic tradition) that prescribes the [Hadd] punishment for adultery as ‘barbaric’? They never did, in case you wondered.
All that has been achieved is ‘credibility’ in the eyes of Ed’s patrons, ie the government which now formally funds his think-tank. It was the same government that tried to bolster the ‘credibility’ of the Quilliam Foundation and others like the Sufi Muslim Council, and ensure that they in turn had the ability to launch initiatives such as the ‘theology board’. Only then, can they claim “it was the Muslims themselves that asked for it”.
I have a feeling that the true reason for the likes of ISB and RMW ‘endorsing’ Ed Husain [et al], is between wanting to be ‘accepted’ by the government themselves. Their fear of being isolated by the government or losing funding opportunities makes them feel insecure, or they actually believe the ‘heretical’ views that Ed and Maajid espouse.
The question is – which is it?
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about 2 years ago
@ M H Azad
Could we ask – what is the evidence that after all the time and advice that Ed has been given until now,
that he is suddenly going to change his opinion?
This does not add up to his approach of trying to ensure that he is not confronted by certain individuals, from people like Azad Ali to Inayat
While should people continue to give him benefit of the doubt whilst he continues a public campaign that is aimed at turning non-Muslim opinion against practising Muslims? and a campaign that also aims at washing the governments hands of the blowback from Iraq Afrghanistan and Israel?
about 2 years ago
@M H H Azad
To be clear though – if Ed was willing to repent and change his ways I am sure most of us would welcome him
about 2 years ago
I agree – if Ed repents, recants and shows remorse for the accusations he has made – particularly against the Prophet, peace be upon him and withdraws from his secularisation of the deen – then yes of course we would welcome him.
about 2 years ago
As-Salaamu’alaykum
Wow – MArshaaAllah, how easy it is to stain the tingue with blood or in this case the finger tips. Brother and sisters who leave a comments, I hope you won’t mind be giving you a bit of advice Shaykh Suhaib Webb gave… Fear Allah!
We have become so British that we have leveled the hierachy down so everyone is the ame and we can disrespect our teachers so! If you back-bite people know that a day approaches when they can and most probably will take back their right!
May Allah increase the MCB, ISB, JIMAS, RMW and every other organisation in piety and truthfulness – May Allah unite the Hearts and remove us from small minded intolerant accusations.
May Allah forgive me
W’Allahu Must’aan
about 2 years ago
If a decision, for whatever reason is taken to invite him, we need to be tough towards “Ed”. If he makes conditions, ignore them. If he then pulls out – tell everyone why he pulled out. If groups like the ISB are going to give him a free ride – they ARE agreeing with his deviant ideas!
about 2 years ago
Ali Abdullah –
I think you have raised a point we all are trying to focus upon
Our Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) gave us instructions on how to deal with munkar (and I hope we can agree that Ed’s opinions on hudood, on shari’a, on politics in Islam etc. are all from the munkar)
Now – we cannot change Ed with our hands, but the least we can do here is speak out against it.
If someone is too weak to do that, then at least do not sit with him and remain quiet upon those issues, rather they should just boycott him. Otherwise, people will think that you implicitly agree, and he will even take your silence as approval (it is quite clear that these guys are self delusional)
If people want to bring him on to challenge him (even though I personally think that he should never ever sit on an Islamic platform while he holds these heretical views) – then they should do just that, properly, and comprehensively.
For the sake of Allah – we are talking about someone who labelled the hudood as barbaric, who has backbitten some of the great scholars of this deen from Sh.ul-Islam ibn Taymiyya to Dr. Qaradawi as well as some of the shuhada of this umma, along with general scaremongering
Its just not appropriate the way some people are dealing with it
about 2 years ago
alhamdulillah I think that we have done a great deal to identify some case studies of munkar that some of our organisations and brothers/leaders of our community are getting themselves into for a combination of reasons including being lured by the ‘money’, wanting acceptannce by the establishment, etc. , and also actually convincing themselves towards having these heretical value.
To me there seems to be two other parts to this debate that remain. Possibly establishing seperate blogs for them.
[1] to take a look at some of the funds that exist with the strings that our organisations are attracted to.
[2] What procedures could we put in place to make it difficult for the community leaders to compromise the community and bring fitna to be propagated unchallenged.
about 2 years ago
Haneef: That name is not befittign a person like you. You lecture people but make utterly scandalous allegations, I will not mention the other issues which are based on fiqhi differences but that at Living Islam, ‘hugging and shaking hands between non-mahram ISB workers…’ If you speak the truth, let those who witnessed such things come out and name themselves and tell us what they have seen. I was there, Iw ould like them to point it out! Were you there Mr H? I doubt it!
[Deleted by BLOG EDITOR: We'd recommend you don't take personal offence. Second, it doesn't help to make worse counter allegations to perceived wrongs. The best solution for all is to relax and have a 'thicker skin'. Reply if you need to and point out any factual errors - but please don't start 'if we're supposed to be this - then you must be that' approach. One of the best features of Western democratic/public life is the ability to take criticism - whether based on fact or faction (within certain limits).]
about 2 years ago
Whenever I receive email from ISB, it is often promoting EMEL. I do not feel comfortable towards the culture and lifestyle that EMEL promotes. Certainly I feel that EMEL promtotes lifestyle and role models that seem to me outside of what would be islamic lifestyle or role model. Certainly the role models they promote in many cases are not people I would like to promote to my son/daughter as Muslim Heroes.
Am I correct to think that Ajmal Marsooor is a part of ISB? He was also a candidate for Liberal Democrats. I am not sure if he remains part of that political party. Paddy Ashdown (once disgracefully nick-named ‘pantsdown’) a long time leader of Lib Dem in the past is a strong advisory supporter of QF – or this is so i noticed. That’s one connection.
I hope you can notice, I am simply providing you with a series of connections.
Now going back to Ajmal Masroor: Him being part of Lib Dem would mean that he would be expected to take up the package of values that the Lib Deb carry and particularly their liberal values. I expect that would contradict with Islam and be hard to reconcile with Islam unless one starts to move towards viewing Islam in a secular manner. (if you diagree with me here – not a prob, as I expect that i could be wrong although in general I would expect this to be the case as would the political party and its members and supporters expect some one of a liberal value to be their candidate)
I dont expect us good citizens to be sending a trojan horse – we are honest, sincere and a positive contributers whilst not compromising towards Allah and His Messenger.
ref:
Ajmal for Lib Dem – http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/nov/30/islamandbritain22
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5352040.stm
Ajmal Masroor of the Islamic Society of Britain told BBC News: “What we want him to say… is world religions are all equal, we need to work together to create a peaceful and inclusive society.”
(I hope Ajmal does not believe so!)
about 2 years ago
Aicon you say I do not befit my name of Haneef? I was given that name by my parents so are they not befitting too of raising me and fulfiling a right of parents in naming their child? Perhaps my grand parents are not befitting too seen as they advised my parents to name me that? And what name is yours? ‘Aicon’ aka Akon some rap/hip hop music ‘gangster’ thug wanna be?
[Deleted by Blog Editor for taste and decency: It's getting a bit too personal.This is not a private debate between you two. Though it seems obvious - it's good to remind ourselves of that occasionally.]
about 2 years ago
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about 2 years ago
I am shocked that the debate loving IFE has deleted half my contribution which was relevant to me asking IFE to take some rsponsibility for the filth that is being peddled here against other organisations whom they work with normally without saying a word, against the so-called ‘leaving islam’ activities ISB organises. True cowardice on the part of IFE leadership, and dont pretend this is not an IFE blog, who are kidding?
BLOG EDITOR: Please. This is a free debate – just look at the stuff you’ve written above! If it is censored, do you think we would’ve allowed you to say the things above? Debate here is free upto the point where it becomes a private slanging match between two people, and the insults become unrepeatable. Need we say more? Dear brother do think before you write – otherwise it makes you look silly. This is blog hosted by IFE, it says it clearly on every page – why would we want to ‘pretend’ otherwise?
about 2 years ago
Just to clear the air – could IFE ask ISB to make a statement regarding its relationship with the Quilliam Foundation? Then, Inshallah, that would lay the matter to rest.
about 2 years ago
Jazak Allah Khairan Brother.
Yes indeed that would be a simple thing. I mean why cant certain groups come out in the open and say we are not associated with the Quilliam Foundation and they do not represent Islam.
It is not controvertial, the worst headlnes it will create would be “ISB SAYS THE QUILLIAM FOUNDATION DOES NOT REPRESENT ISLAM! ”
Well I am sure even the Sun would know that this is not going to be main page stuff and the government will have to bite its lips. I mean it cannot refuse to interact with all the people who say this! What kind of policy is this?
Yet even this simple statement is very difficult to get! Some of the main stream Ulema in this country even refused to say this because of the fears that they had!
They are just busy talking about Divorce, Marriage, and the other Fatwaa that they can shine through with.
The organisers as well have the same problem. As of yet Abdul Rahmim Malik is still editing his letter and inshallah he will reply soon after he initially supported them
We now have the ISB and the organisers of the “Living Islam” event standing in the background.
Just say that the Quilliam Foundation does not represetn Islam. Not difficult you know
Oh yeah we have wonderful naivity from certain mainstream scholars. The so called “Sufi” ones who even have “husn al dhunn” of them! and one brother heard him say that they are not really like this!i.e. we should take the charges of heresy with a pinch of salt!
Yet they rant and rave about traditionalism!
This is the crux of the matter as well. It is not about debate but about conditioned debate. It is not about hearing the views of the heretics but about disassociating from it and addressnig it harshly if needed!
Unfortunately this is even a mountain nowadays. We have also to watch our backs when all of a sudden a so called “mainstream” figure jumps out and deviates from mainstream Islam like Usama Hassan
May Allah guide us all in these moments of fitna
about 2 years ago
You’re quite right. It is not difficult to say QF does not represent Islam because it doesn’t! I think JIMAS also needs to issue a clear statement about this too!
about 2 years ago
Does anyone have contact with the Luton Masjid commitee?
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/280
about 2 years ago
Dear all,
Salam alaikum
I was thinking that were he to be part of any other community and done the equivalent of what he is now doing, Ed Hussain would have been vilified. His past misdemeanour’s would have been dug up and shown to the world and people would have not been as polite to him and Majid Nawaz as the Muslims have been.
I think this is a great credit to the Muslim community. However I also think this silence and restraint is what gave much ‘encouragement’ to others, namely Usama Hassan to join in this charade. He was truly a good person and I pray he remains so – what he thinks he is doing is beyond me. This restraint and humility of the Muslim community also lets Fuad Nahdi and others take advantage of the community and rather slyly dictate to government and the Muslim community how they want things to move. Unfortunately people like Abdulrahman Malik are naive/ignorant/need a job and are sucked into this rather willingly. Be is Usama or Fuad or Abdulrahman, at the end of the day, alhamdulillah they have little grassroots support or any kind of following whatsoever. At the end of the day, ideas and beliefs that have stood the test of prisons and torture and remained steadfastly supported by great scholars will never disappear as will Ed and his crew.
I think it will be tough for us as every so often we face people spouting nonsense coming to the fray. But inshallah all of these people and their false messages will disappear. At the end of the day we ask for the right to live, to express ourselves and to participate fully in life and its complications just like our fellow humans do. Ed and co wish to fight us and prevent us from doing this – I think they will most certainly lose!
about 2 years ago
Unfortunately according to Usama anyone who considers Ed to be a heretic is a liar! That does reflect on Usama’s creed!
about 2 years ago
Oh yeah! Interesting information coming up on the event in Luton Central Mosque. Of course we have our contacts.
Please anyone who has information on this TARIQ MAHMUD please send it to
ibnnadam@gmail.com
about 2 years ago
Salam,
well done Br Azad, lots of specualtion, accusations and questions about doubting intentions have been mentioned on this blog. (might have been the issue of not reading properly!) But alhamdulillah you got your point across on IC’s show today. The biggest shame is where are you ED??? So adament on your veiws and thoughts that you cannot even speak up for them when someone disagrees with them?
And all this talk of br azad being an ‘extremist’ yet no one phoned in and called him that. They were all too busy still fuming at ED’s comments on last weeks show. I dont get it, any lament person can see the Muslim anger in regards to his views so why cant such an ‘educated’ man such as ED see that too???
Ed mentioned puting aside emotion when dealing with the palestinian cause, does that also include leaving behind your Islamic morals and values too? Your love for one ummah? Ermm what just leave behind Islam in general? is that what his ‘plan’ is?
“Islamaphobia is not a big issue”: right ok so ED could you explain that to my younger sister and her group of friends when they were verbally abused by a group of youth at bournmouth when all they wanted to do was enjoy the end of their college studying? Also explain that to a revert sister who had her tyres slashed so many times and her side mirror broken that she eneded up selling her car and only goes out with her husband out of fear? Explain to another group of sisters who have been sworn at and threatened and all they wanted to do was board the bus! This is the reality of it and if not worse, where do your veiws come from?!
All in all…big thumbs up to Br Azad! I just wish your questions would FINALLY get ANSWERED! lol
about 2 years ago
i completely missed todays politics and media show on islam channel. Can we get a video stream or transcript or at least the jist and highlights of what was discussed?
about 2 years ago
Salam all,
jazakallah khayer for your comments. It was a shame Ed did not turn up, but that was to be expected. But he seems to have no shame – look at the following quote I took from QF site regarding an event at Luton Central Masjid.
Ed says “Ed called upon young Muslims in the audience to look beyond the current debate on Islamism, and prepare for defending the honour of our beloved Prophet Mohamed. He asked undergraduates in the audience to prepare serious refutations of vicious attackers on Islam, including Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer and others.”
WHAT!! Muslims need to worry about you defaming our beloved, peave and blessings be upon him! Talk about pot calling kettle black!!!
about 2 years ago
Its his new tack – don’t you know – he “debated” with Hersi Ali??? :)
about 2 years ago
Please publish the 2nd part of my original post addressed the fake ‘Haneef’ which you split in half and left half or more out. Publish it word for word if you value freedom of expression and debateas you claim. It says nothing perosnal about anyone!
about 2 years ago
I am still waiting for Haneef and others making allegations to substantiate their lies. I was at Living Islam I want those who think they saw ‘non-mahram people shaking hands and hugging’ – either come out and prove or apologise for this disgraceful slander and lie against brothers and sisters of your fellow sister organisation who you will have to sit side by side!
about 2 years ago
It was dissappointing and hurtful to see these charlatons being facilitated to disseminate their message of fitna and discord. Masajid should not be used to launch attacks on other schools of thought, Luton has a mixed and vibrant blend of community organisations who usually work in harmony, letting these people steer the debate is a classic example of creating suspiscion and division. Somebody should contact the BMF to ask them to contact the Masajid affiliated with them to advise them not to stir the hornets nest by allowing these idiots platforms to speak.
about 2 years ago
The President from the Luton Central Mosque has been contacted, the uncle was completely understanding of the situation and the division that these people came to peddle between the community. He is fully aware of this divide and rule tactic being adopted by these fakes, he assurred us that they would never be returning. Ed your charge sheet of misdemeanours against this community is too long, the moment one starts reading it aloud, the people who have Emaan and Ikhlas immediately respond with indignant revulsion. Allhamdu’Lilah the truth always prevails…Allahu’Akbar.
about 2 years ago
It would be good to see the BMF actually do something, but I wouldn’t bank on it. After all, the BMF Chairman backed the government’s 42-day detention period, and as QF is government-backed, the BMF may not want to rock the boat!
about 2 years ago
Extract taken from Shaykh Nuh’s article Iman, Kufr and Takfir – please do read the entire article, but for our discussion here regarding calling the Hadith of the Prophet “barbaric” I will leave it to you to see what the Shaykh brings forth from traditional Islam. Further, the silence of Scholars in this country on this matter is causing fitna, I pray that they recognize this and fulfill their duty and guide the Muslims.
Words That Entail Leaving Islam
The Usama ibn Zayd hadith shows that a Muslim’s legally entering Islam by having said the Profession of Faith (Shahada) is an absolute certainty. No one can thereafter be considered a kafir without an equal certainty, since the Prophet condemned Usama for doing so. The Imams of fiqh have specified just how much certainty is needed in texts like the following, which, though taken from the Hanafi school, is typical of the caution observed by the ulema of all schools, and shows how far the loose accusations of kufr echoing back and forth on the Islamic scene today are from the standards of Islamic law. Imam ‘Ala’ al-Din ‘Abidin writes:
The most grievous of offences and heinous of enormities is associating others with Allah Most High (shirk), or disbelief in Him, or in that which has been conveyed by our liegelord Muhammad the Messenger of Allah (Allah Most High bless him and give him peace), or sarcasm about anything thereof, may Allah be our refuge from that. “Disbelief” includes:
(1) reviling the religion of Islam, or Allah Most High, or the Prophet (Allah Most High bless him and give him peace);
(2) denying any matter necessarily known to be of the religion of Islam, that is established by a text from either the Holy Qur’an or mutawatir[4] hadith, provided the text is incontestable as evidence[5] and there is no pretext (shubha) for disagreement about it;[6]
(3) denying any matter established by unanimous consensus of all the prophetic Companions (Sahaba), provided it its unanimity is unquestionably established, and it was explicitly stated by all, not merely tacitly agreed to;
(4) denying the existence of Allah Most High;
(5) believing that things cause effects through themselves or by their nature, without the will of Allah Most High;
(6) denying a matter of unquestionable scholarly consensus (ijma‘ qat‘i);
(7) denying the existence of the angels, the jinn, or the heavens;
(8) believing something intrinsically unlawful whose its unlawfulness is unquestionably established, such as drinking wine, to be lawful (halal)—as opposed to [something not intrinsically unlawful, such as] the property of another [which is not unlawful in itself], for it is unlawful for an extrinsic reason [namely, the other’s ownership of it];
(9) sarcasm about any ruling of Sacred Law,[7] or quoting a statement of unbelief—even jokingly, without believing it—when one’s intention is sarcasm [about religious matters];
(10) demeaning any prophet, or saying that prophethood is acquired [by spiritual works];
(11) calumny against ‘A’isha the wife of the Prophet (Allah Most High bless him and give him peace);
(12) or denying that the Prophet’s message (Allah Most High bless him and give him peace) was intended for the entire world
—in any of which cases a man is an apostate, and must be asked to re-enter Islam, which he can either do or else be killed, though a woman is merely incarcerated (al-Hadiyya al-‘Ala’iyya, 424–25).
about 2 years ago
I hope Dilwar Hussain and all the Ed lovers from ISB have had a good read of this blog!!! Especially Br Zafars final extract. If there are people like you who are willing to aid the unjust, then there are moderate youth who will be even more viciferous in the defence of our community and Deen.
about 2 years ago
Salaam I thought it would be a good idea to post this letter from Hamza Andreas Tzortzis, who was ment to give a talk at this years Jimas. (by the way I am going IA this year, so dont worry if i bump into Brother Usama Hassan……..)
Salaam my dear Brother,
I pray you are well and in the best of possible states.
Ever since I agreed to talk at JIMAS I have been very happy and excited, as I have been given the opportunity to send a positive message to many Muslims. All praises are due to Allah.
To get more publicity for the conference, I put the flyer up on my blog and sent an email to all my email lists informing them of this event and other events.
Unfortunately, as a result I have been bombarded with phone calls and emails trying to explain to me that if I give a talk at JIMAS it would associate me with those in the community who attempt to ‘secularise’ the deen. Furthermore they added that it may effect my dawah work as the forthcoming international platforms that want me to speak may change their minds on my invitation; due to the negative perception that influential and other Muslims have concerning the current affiliations of your organisation.
I however do not completely agree with these messages, but I am in a dilemma because in the work of dawah every Muslim wants to be as effective as possible and prevent any potential fitna and disunity from arising, hence I need some public clarification from yourself that you are not affiliated with certain individuals who attempt to ‘secularise’ Islam.
Your site has been linked on to the ‘Quilliam Foundation’ website and they have mentioned JIMAS on various occasions. Quilliam Foundation are seen by many as an organisation that are trying to secularise Islam.
Please understand my predicament as my intentions are to please Allah as much as possible by giving dawah and attempting to work towards a small milestone for positive change. I have no negative feelings or resentments. I love you and the Muslims, however I need some public clarification as the majority of the Muslims who have contacted me have raised serious concerns.
These messages have not only come from ‘activists’ or what some people may call ‘Islamists’, they have come from the normal average Muslim.
If you feel it is unnecessary to agree to the above or can not do it for any reasons, I will not be able to attend the JIMAS conference for the sake of Allah in preventing fitna and possible disunity. However, I do sincerely pray you are successful in everything that you do that pleases Allah.
Please reply as soon as you can, and inshAllah we can discuss this further.
I was going to call or arrange a coffee with you, but I do not have your number.
Wasalaam & love,
Your brother Hamza
about 2 years ago
Br. Hamza has put this advice on his blog. It’s worth remembering. -
“I believe that it is still necessary to distance myself from doubtful matters. I am not telling Muslims not to attend, I am just trying to protect myself. Public speakers must always ensure that they are God-conscious and must constantly be mindful of the platforms they share and their political implications.
Disassociating Myself from those who wish to Secularise Islam
No one can ever be ‘guilty by association’ and I do not suggest that JIMAS is guilty just by association with some of those speaking at the conference. However it is an Islamic virtue to try and maintain ones integrity by distancing ones self even from doubtful matters. This has been my thinking for myself, and I would urge it onto any others who speak publicly or are active.
In my view, some of the matters I wish to remain distinct from – and I advise all Islamic Organisations and Groups to do so too – are:
1) Those individuals and organisations that, for what ever intention, believe that they should help promote a “reform” or “secularisation” of Islam propagated by several western think tanks. Certainly Islamic opinions are broad and Ikhtilaaf (valid differences of opinion) is a blessing from Allah. But there are some basics that all of us accept, and it is a violation of these that is what we should be fearful of.
2) There are Muslims and organisations that would ally with those who politically and ideologically attack Islam and Muslims amongst politicians and media, and seek to further their agenda through such alliances.
3) Muslims and organisations who have made it their aim to publicly attack fellow Muslims for their Islamic opinions and beliefs, falling into the agenda of those hostile to Islam.
I have given talks, presentations and participated in debates with regards to challenging Secular thoughts and values. I believe it is via positive discourse with the non-Muslim community can a true understanding of each other arise. However, hosting platforms for Muslims who wish to Secularise Islam to promote their ideas unchallenged does call into question the platform. And by consequence for me to speak or give a key address at such a platform was not acceptable.
Rather, I would like that such people must be strongly advised where they have contradicted the basics of Islam as well as being philosophically, intellectual and Islamically unsound.”
about 2 years ago
He would share a platform with you wahabis if you knew how to behave?!
about 2 years ago
tell u what. get an undercover azad ali next time ed hussain is invited to a show, and seriously the guy is so blind, he wont know what hit hime. BAM! WHAM!